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Itman
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Need help for buying oud
Shalom,
my name is igor and i live in germany - hannover.
In my city it is very hard to buy an oud in a store, you can buy pianos, guitars, drums and banjos, but not ouds.
So the only way i have is the internet. I searched at ebay and found 2 ouds:
http://cgi.ebay.com/OUD-BUY-SELL-Handmade-UD-LAVTA-CEM-MC-SAZ-LUTE-...
http://cgi.ebay.de/OUD-BUY-SELL-Handmade-UD-LAVTA-CEM-MC-SAZ-LUTE-M...
Both are about 300€. I expected a good sounding arabic oud.
What ist yours oppinion ? How should i decide ?
Greetings from Germany
Igor
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Hamburglu
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Hello Igor.
I live in Hamburg. My name is Mutlu. Please, not buying from Internet or ebay. This ouds haven t a good sound. We have tested it. I haven t to sell
an oud now. But a good friend also in Hamburg have two ouds to sell. First an arabic style oud from Bakhri Daghir for 400 € and a turkish style oud
from Yildirim Palabiyik for 500 €. You can test them in Hamburg. Please contact him hakanhatay@hotmail.com
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Itman
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What do you mean, you tested it ?
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John Erlich
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Hi Igor,
I don't know either what Mutlu means when he says he has "tested it," but I agree that buying an oud that you never held in your hands and tried
yourself is a bad idea. If you have to buy an oud via the internet, I strongly suggest buying directly (if possible) from one of the many reputable
luthiers discussed in this Forum.
Good luck,
John
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Aymara
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Welcome Igor!
A few weeks ago, I was exactly in the same situation and I also had a look at these CEM ouds from Mannheim ... I decided, that they are not a good
deal ... cheap factory ouds ... as nearly all ouds being cheaper than 500-600€.
So I visited Sabbassi here from the forum who lives in the Netherlands and builds nice ouds as a hobby ... I'm happy with mine (the rosewood oud).
So maybe contact the guy from Hamburg, let him send you photos and ask for sound files. If you like, what you see and hear, you'll see, if it's worth
to take a trip to Hamburg to test them yourself.
I gues he ordered one and sent it back, which is no problem in Germany. When you're not satisfied with a product, which you ordered online, you can
send it back within 14 days as long as the product still looks new.
PS: Another german user of this forum wants to sell a Samir Azar floating bridge oud for 700€, if I remember it right. I tested it and it's a great oud, but floating bridge is not the right oud for
me.
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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Itman
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Thank you for your answers, I think i shoud wait, i know what you mean, if you say i should hold it in my hands befor i buy, because i play classical
guitar.
But one question more: how is this ?
http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Professional-Egyptian-Oud-Arabic-Sound-Samp...
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Aymara
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Hi again!
Quote: Originally posted by Itman  | | ..., i know what you mean, if you say i should hold it in my hands befor i buy, because i play classical guitar. |
That's why I would recommend contact to Hamburg or I could inform the other German with the Azar oud to contact you or wait, 'til Sabbassi has the
next oud ready.
Maybe he could also help with contact to his friend Khalid Belhaiba in Morocco (HERE an example), who also builds fantastic ouds for a very good price and is his teacher regarding luthiery.
| Quote: | | But one question more: how is this ? |
Search for Gawharet El Fan in these forums to find the answer and have a closer look ... they might be a better choice, than the CEM ouds,
but the fingerboard is varnished glossy ... do I need to say more? If you want to buy from this shop, get a Sukar oud ... that would be a much better
deal. They have a good reputation and an adjustable neck.
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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Itman
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Thank you for helping.
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Aymara
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No problem ... you'll notice, that it's quite normal in these forums 
It's a great helpful community here 
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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Itman
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Shalom,
today i was in one, for me unknown, musicstore in Hannover. I was surprised, because they had 2 Ouds. The Seller does not know how old they are and
where they come from. So I did not know whether they are good, because i can not recognize a good oud.
Then I found a little turkish musicshop, it was closed as i was there, but i saw, that they had lots of saz and one oud, but monday i will ask them
for more.
Greetings from Germany
Igor
Igor
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Aymara
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Good morning!
No problem ... take a photo camera with and show us photos of the oud. A further hint is, that most oud luthiers place their label inside the oud
behind the large soundhole ... tell us the name of the luthier.
| Quote: | | So I did not know whether they are good, because i can not recognize a good oud. |
HERE you'll find general tips, how to identify a good oud.
A further thing, you should keep in mind is, that though you can tune a Turkish oud arabic, you can't tune an arabic oud Turkish ... the soundboard
can't stand the higher tension. And a Turkish oud tuned arabic won't develop that deep bass, that many of us love on arabic ouds.
Visit Youtube and search for "oud" to find tons os oud videos. Listen to as much as possible, as I did. First I compared Turkish to arabic ouds and
after I found out, that I prefer the arabic ouds, I concentrated on listening to the sound characteristics of the different oud designs ... floating
bridge versus fixed bridge, Iraqi versus Egyptian versus Syrian, etc..
Here are first examples:
Arabic oud
Turkish oud
For better comparison I chose ouds from the same luthier.
Floating bridge oud
Happy listening ... not quite easy, because the sound quality of most videos is
far from good.
PS: Info about the most common tunings can be found HERE.
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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Itman
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Shalom,
thank you very much for your help. I´ll try to take a photo of the oud, but the inside is not seeable, because there is an ornament. At one oud i
saw the manufactor, but it was all in arabic language, which i do not understand.
Thank you about the thing with arabic and turkish ouds, for 2 weeks now i watch videos at youtube, but i did not had a good examples for compareing;
the arabic oud is the best instrument in the world 
Thanks again and Greetings from Germany
Igor
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Aymara
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You can look through the rosette, if you get close enough. It's even possible to take a photo through the small openings of the rosette, if your
camera has a macro mode for close-ups, you hold the lens directly in front of the rosette and enough light shines inside the boul.
| Quote: | | ... the arabic oud is the best instrument in the world
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Maybe not the best, but definitly one of the most fascinating instruments ... for thousands of years.
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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Itman
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Hi,
i will try on monday or day after tomorrow.
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David.B
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Good luck for your new instrument Igor, Chris gave to you great advices 
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Aymara
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Hey Igor,
did you see THIS?
A Samir Azar oud for 550€ including hard case ... ok, Faladel lives in Spain, but it might be worth a thought, because this luthier has a great
reputation.
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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Itman
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Shalom,
here are the two ouds i found in hannover
http://www.flickr.com/photos/igoritkin/sets/72157623006313068/
It was impossible to make a foto of the manufacture, but it was a white paper with an arabic letters.
I hope you can tell me something about the ouds.
Greetings
Igor
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Aymara
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Not much, but I myself would stay away from these ouds, especially the first one ... uaah, what an ugly oud with a varnished soundboard, wrongly
stringed (crossing strings in the peg box) and a deep scratch in the fingerboard. And look at the second one ... it needs a new nut, because the
distances between the courses are not equal.
How do they sound and how much do they cost? Are they easily tunable and do they hold the tuning?
I would save the money for something better.
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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Itman
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The first one i could not tune, the second sounds ok.
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Aymara
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Even if it's cheap, I think it's wiser to save that money and buy a good quality oud from the beginning ... starting with a low quality oud might lead
to frustration. The nut of the second one isn't ok and who knows what else too, that can't be seen in the photos.
Invest a bit more ... maybe something around 600€ like I did and chances are relatively high, that you will get an oud, that serves you well for a
few years and gives you a good start with learning this fantastic instrument.
It's like with your guitar ... if the first one isn't ok, you will have problems learning and might think, you lack talent, though it's only a matter
of a bad instrument.
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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Itman
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Hi Chris,
you are are, but where shoud i beginn? I know that some people at this very nice forum are selling ouds,
but I need more offer to choose an oud, which fits to my individual taste.
Greetings
Igor
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Aymara
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Ok, Germany is not the oud land of milk and honey, but there was an offer from Hamburg already, you could also ask Sabbassi, when he'll build his next
oud and I told you of someone, who sells a Samir Azar oud too in Germany.
A further option is a famous luthier in Great Britain, but you would have to wait several months and pay around 1000€. But he would be able to build
your dream oud.
BTW ... what is your maximum budget?
Or you just wait for further offers in the Buy&Sell forum?
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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Itman
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Hello Chris,
I allready contacted the guy from Hamburg, so i wait for his answer. Who is Bakhri Daghir ?
The Samir Azar Oud:
the seller send me a Soundfile, it is a beautiful oud with very good sound, but nothing for me.
I try to ask Sabbassi.
Greetings
Igor
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michoud
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Hi Itman
Check your u2u
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Aymara
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I don't know, maybe Mutlu (Hamburglu) can answer this question.
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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