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Tamzara scores & timing

Ararat66 - 6-8-2011 at 03:07 AM

Tamzara


Anyone got a musical score for a Tamzara - it is the rhythm I'm most interested in seeing. Reposted this in the right part of the forum:D

Cheers

Leon

DoggerelPundit - 6-8-2011 at 08:17 AM

Hi Leon, how are things on the mount?

Can't help with a score—they might be as hard to find as lyrics to Armenian songs. However, there are good recordings of them to be had. I suggest the ones on Richard Hagopian's on Kef Time Hartford CD, and several of John Bilezikjian's albums, e.g. Dantz Fever.

The timing is 9/8, as can be seen and heard on this peachy picnic video. I believe the oud is John Berberian.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuKm8q8A_lg&feature=related

Amos - 6-8-2011 at 09:28 AM

Hi Leon,
A great tamzara can be found on my late teacher's album: Alan Shavarsh Bardezbanian's 'Oud Masterpieces' on ARC. You can get it on ARC's website.
I have the score for this tune, let me scan it in for you tonight. Best, Amos

Ararat66 - 6-8-2011 at 11:04 AM

Hi Amos

I have that cd - I'll relisten tonight. The score would be great .. I only slightly read music but I can read the timing thanks

Leon

MatthewW - 6-8-2011 at 01:07 PM

Hi Leon- just found this clip- - cheers, MW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K9dU2UzOXU&feature=related

Ararat66 - 6-8-2011 at 01:27 PM

Thanks Matthew and there's another one by the same guy playing solo. Nice and clear playing from a learning point of view.

Cheers

Leon

Ararat66 - 6-11-2011 at 04:22 AM

Hi Amos

Just been relistening to Alan Shavarsh Bardezbanian's recording on 'Oud Masterpieces', it's a lovely version and also very clear to learn from rhythmically. It's beautifully played of course and he gets that magical balance that seems to run through Armenian music of being optimistic and uplifting but also melancholy and heartfelt at the same time. I think that the timing opens up these feelings even more as it opens up microspaces for your musical imagination to fill in (pardon me for sounding like a wine taster :)))

Matthew - I reckon it would be a good one for you to listen to because of its clarity :)

Leon

littleseb - 6-11-2011 at 12:21 PM

wow, it's great!
how does this rhythm work? 9/8? where are the accents?
cheers!

littleseb - 6-11-2011 at 12:25 PM

Quote: Originally posted by MatthewW  
Hi Leon- just found this clip- - cheers, MW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K9dU2UzOXU&feature=related


and what maqam is this?

Jonathan - 6-11-2011 at 12:40 PM

The rhythm is 2 + 2 + 2 + 3 (9/8)

littleseb - 6-11-2011 at 01:04 PM

okidoki, added to the repertoire.

Ararat66 - 6-11-2011 at 02:12 PM

Hi Seb

Started tonight - fantastic groove - I'm buzzing now ... but it'll take a while for it to be natural and to improvise from it. It's more tricky than it looks but great fun.

:D

Leon

littleseb - 6-11-2011 at 03:41 PM

yo ararat!
been playing it for a couple of hours now, still trying to come to grips with it, lol!
what maqam are you playing it in? i'm jamming it on bayat, but don't think that's fully it....

Jono Oud N.Z - 6-11-2011 at 06:06 PM

Hi.
I found a score for Tamzara.

http://www.kemalsahir.com/kaval-notalar/pipe%20level03.html

I particularly like the Richard Hagopian version on 'Armenian Music through the Ages'.



Ararat66 - 6-12-2011 at 01:21 AM

Hi Jono

Fantastic stuff - I'll go through these tonight.

Hi Seb

How are you doing on this grey and drizzly day :)) The way I'm approaching it is by copying the Sungurlian version (the version where he is on his own tuned BEAD on the trebles). I like this version and it's great to learn from. Then once I get this I'll start to look at other versions and then slowly make it my own and maybe analyse it a wee bit more interms of maqams etc.

I'm just getting the groove first - I love the feel of these dances and the shifting rhythms and flickering timing. I'd quite like to work out a guitar accompanyment too so I can bring some guitar playing friends on board. It will take a while as I have two kids, work etc ... like a lot of folks I need 2 or 3 or 12 lives :))

There's another piece I love by the Shoghaken Ensemble on the cd 'Traditional dances of Armenia' called 'Alashkerti Kochari', which is mesmerising and has the most beautiful change of timing about half way through as if an underlying rhythm has just overtaken the main one, interferred and taken over. I'd like to learn that too (can't find it on youtube for you to listen to - sorry).

I've also been listening to a lot of Greek dance music which I really love ... here's a great cd ... 'Ethnic Stories: 18 Traditional Music Stories Sailing In Greece' which has a brilliant selection.

Cheers

Leon


Leon