Wittner oriental pegs

Tar large pegs also has a shape which i really don't like to have on my oud. they look like Tar pegs also it's head is 31mm long which i believe it's a little too big for an oud peg. these are the reasons i say it's necessary to have the pegs be designed for oud.

Wittner geared fintune pegs for Oud

Those look awesome. Really awesome.
But, too expensive
I really can't afford that much just for tuners, considering that I would pay more just for traditional look, when there are a lot of other options, that don't look that much great, but are great too. Some of them even have a better ratio (how precise you can be in each turn of the peg) than the traditional and this tuners.

The cheaper and excellent option I saw, are those ones:

http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tuners/Ukulele_tuners/Grover_Ukulele_Tu...

They are individual, small mechanical tuners, which have a 14:1 ratio (instead of 1:1 like the ouds) which is better.

Closer to the traditional look there is this option:
http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tuners/Ukulele_tuners/Grover_Champion_D...

I believe they have a 1:1 ratio but i'm not sure. I will try them on an oud I will get and will do a review of how they work on the oud.

Does that mean that guitar gir turns "continuously"?

I always thought that it makes small jumps (as small as the "teeth" on the wheel, if you know what I mean. I don't know the right terminology).

While theretically, the oud pegs can turn continuously", giving more prices tuning, at least ideally.

where am I wrong?

Quote: Originally posted by Luttgutt

I always thought that it makes small jumps (as small as the "teeth" on the wheel, if you know what I mean. I don't know the right terminology).

Quote: Originally posted by Luttgutt

While theretically, the oud pegs can turn continuously", giving more prices tuning, at least ideally.

This animation might make the principle easier to understand

http://royalmechanical.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/worm_gear.gif

David

Quote: Originally posted by abc123xyz

Quote: Originally posted by Luttgutt   I always thought that it makes small jumps (as small as the "teeth" on the wheel, if you know what I mean. I don't know the right terminology). No, it turns smoothly. The teeth of the gear do no more than provide the rotating screw surfaces which which to push the gear, and before one gear tooth has been pushed out of range another has already come into contact with the screw, so that rotation is continuous, not incremental. The worm-gear arrangement diverts the force of the string sideways against the screw, which means that, whereas the turning of the screw can turn the gear that tightens the string, the opposite is not true, and the tension of the string cannot act to turn the screw. Therefore no friction between the peg shaft and its bearing is necessary to maintain tension on the string, and so a mechanical tuner turns more easily, and more smoothly, than a friction peg. Quote: Originally posted by Luttgutt   While theretically, the oud pegs can turn continuously", giving more prices tuning, at least ideally. Even operating at its smoothest, a friction peg works by being "gripped" by the wood of the peg box, and thus prevented from being rotated by the string tension, until sufficient force is exterted to overcome that friction, at which point the peg makes a tiny partial turn, after which its motion is again checked by friction. So it is friction pegs which in fact operate by making numerous small incremental movements. Finely adjusting anything with the human hand is always a problem of converting a large ("gross") movement into a small ("fine") one. With 18:1 mechanical tuners, twisting the finger grip one time around results in the string-bearing shaft making only 1/18 of a turn, a large motion being converted into a smaller one, which naturally makes it easier to fine tune. The larger the ratio, the greater capacity for fine tuning, though at some point the accuracy gained is beyond what is necessary, and the extra time required to get a newly installed string up to tension becomes a nuisance itself. David

Wow! Thanks a lot. That was very clear (even for me )

But now I have a new question:

Since the movement on the giutar peg is continuous anyway, why would, say, a ratio of 18:1 be more precise then 6:1? Since both turn smoothly, what makes the difference?

Thanks again!!

Please don't !

Yours indeed
Alfaraby

Ok
Send me the money to pay for the wittner ones and I will use them

Quote: Originally posted by Brian Prunka

Because you can make smaller movements. Think of it this way: our hand and the peg have a limit on how small we can make a movement, let say it's one degree (hypothetically). On a 1:1 tuner (like a peg), under ideal conditions, the shaft would also turn one degree. Let's say (again hypothetically) that this causes the string's pitch to rise 2 cents. On a 6:1 tuner, the same movement would cause the shaft to turn 1/6 of a degree, and the pitch to rise 1/3 of a cent. On an 18:1 tuner, the same movement would cause the shaft to turn 1/18 of a degree, and the pitch to rise 1/9 of a cent. This is pretty much the definition of "precision".