Very exciting and enlightening. I liked the dove tail stuff because I shall be writing soon about this tail, so stay tuned.
Thanks Hamed for drawing our attention to this Luthier, who absolutely deserves a visit very soon.
What do you think about asking him to join in ?
Yours indeed
Alfarabyhamed - 1-1-2014 at 06:02 PM
I think he might be a member of the forum, there are numerous posts about his ouds which are held in very high regard.Alfaraby - 1-2-2014 at 01:16 PM
Yes indeed, with one post in memory of Al Gardner from 2006 ! He might have found it very boring to leave the forum after one single post
If somebody knows the oldman, please re-invite him.
Yours indeed,
Alfarabybulerias1981 - 1-2-2014 at 01:38 PM
Peter is not fond of the internet or technology like this. Good luck with that!hamed - 1-2-2014 at 03:52 PM
In regards to the dovetail system mentioned in the video, I'd like to ask a question of the oud builders on this forum:
Do you think the dovetail system is more beneficial? I remember Bulerias81 saying that the dowel method is preferrable because it's easier to repair.
I've owned two turkish ouds and on both the action never seemed to rise, so maybe the dovetail system is superior? Is there any particular reason why
so many arabic builders are still using the dowel method?
I'm interested in hearing your opinions. SamirCanada - 1-2-2014 at 04:53 PM
Hi Hamed,
This is my opinion, I believe true that the dovetail has some mechanical advantages as mentioned in the video. But to be quite honest it requires a
lot of skill to properly execute with hand tools. Also, I find the dowel of today is rather different than the ones used is very early arabic ouds. we
have access to exact matching dowel rods to forstener bits. In my personal experience I would consider the dowel neck joint I have made of my most
recent oud the strongest of the neck joints I have made even to compared to my dovetail necks because they were not as flawless and because my dowel
runs down just short of half the length of the neck. There are also other techniques such as screws that can be used in combination to a dowel that
make it even stronger. That being said, with router tables and other precision power tools able to produce those dovetail joints flawlessly I think it
could be the way to go. Faruk Turunz uses a kind of dovetail insert joint that is very cutting edge and it comes out right every time because its made
with powertools that are precisely adjusted.
not all arabic makers are using the dowel anymore, Shehata uses dovetails I can attest to that. I am aware of other makers who dont use a joint at
all... the neck and neck block are a continuous piece of wood. thats also interesting. I have known makers to experience with carbon fiber inserts to
stiffen the neck too. There are so many options and in the end I think they all have some advantage and they are all acceptable if properly executed. hussamd - 1-3-2014 at 08:10 AM
I thoroughly enjoyed the clip. It is fascinating to see a master at work. Thanks for sharing. Too bad I am in Chicago.bulerias1981 - 1-4-2014 at 12:18 PM
I agree with Samir,
I think the dowel method is great of its done right, also the dowel method is much more repairable if there's an issue compared to dovetail. A nice
trick is to use a fingerboard thick enough at the nut so when or if it comes up, it can be planed a bit instead of having to reset the neck!! hamed - 1-4-2014 at 03:51 PM
Peter is not fond of the internet or technology like this. Good luck with that!
sorry to chime in late on this, I don't claim to speak for Peter in anyway, but I agree with John here 100%. you are more likely to
see an albino unicorn than see Mr. Kyvelos posting here. I have lived close to his shop for over 20 years, and I don't know much, but I do know he
does not really like the internet or technology……he's an incredibly knowledgeable luthier, and musician, very old school, do it by
hand…….there are absolutely no computers in his shop……..but if you are ever in the Boston Ma area, stop by and visit, he has an incredible
wealth of information, and usually some nice second hand ouds for sale.
lloyd Thayer
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