I am sure that some of you can verify the Authenticity of this Nahat:
[file]36287[/file]Brian Prunka - 8-13-2015 at 06:24 AM
You need to post more than just the label. This doesn't look like any Nahat label I'm familiar with. The writing looks like it was done on a computer
. . . Ninou - 8-13-2015 at 07:06 AM
On the Rosace it's written Nahat brothers!
I don't have the Oud but here is what I received:
[file]36289[/file]Brian Prunka - 8-13-2015 at 07:12 AM
The oud looks possibly authentic, but the label doesn't match any Ikhwan Nahat label I've seen.
Ninou - 8-13-2015 at 07:21 AM
We agree that the label Doesn't match. some nahats were repaired by other member of the family or maybe Georgy had this Rosace made by The brothers
and ready to put on the Oud... this what the owner told me.
lets hear from others pleaseBrian Prunka - 8-13-2015 at 08:47 AM
Yes, it is possible the oud is authentic and has had some repairs/modifications, possibly including replacing the label at some point.
The raqma is of an unusual design for a Nahat.
How does it sound?
Ninou - 8-13-2015 at 09:13 AM
Dear Brian,
Sorry, what is the raqma?
I have no idea about the sound, I will ask more details but the problem is that the owner is very old guy... Brian Prunka - 8-13-2015 at 10:20 AM
the pickguardNinou - 8-14-2015 at 12:10 AM
Thank you Brian, waiting for other comments from other experts. Adel Salameh - 8-14-2015 at 02:01 AM
dear Ninou,
sorry I did not reply to your e mail as I was away ...I am travelling alot these days...
few things that I would like to say, people make this common mistake regarding the shamsiya...if its written Ikhwan nahat on the shamsiya it does not
mean that the oud was made by Ikhwan nahat....that signature was used on many nahat shamsiya as they were the most famous makers and if its written on
the shamsiya Hana,Tawfiq or Georgy .. they were not known at that time so they used the Ikhwan brother name as it's very recognised and well
established.
What makes me worry about this oud which I find very strange that nobody has talked about it...is the soundboard...it looks very fragile to me near
the bridge which is the most important part of the oud...that area looks very weak to me...also the bridge has been moved which alter the sound of the
oud...this also means that the fingerboard must have been altered too.. I am quite sure that this instrument can't stand the normal tuning so it has
to be tuned down quite alot...
the label looks very doggy to me...I have never seen any label like this....again I would like to remind you that George nahat labels were stolen and
copied by many people....Gerorge again I say it is not Abdo nor Roufan ... he was on the commercial side which means producing and selling...
the pick guard is not authentic ...
It's up to you to decide what you are going to do about this instrument...it's not a concert oud... could be very good to keep at home ... you could
have the risk of the bridge coming off and this time if it comes off you might as well forgot about the soundboard...
All the very best wishes,
AdelNinou - 8-14-2015 at 07:18 AM
Dear Adel,
Thank you for your explanation but again i am asking the same question in other way:
This Nahat is authentic or not? regardless the pickguard.
I am not willing to play on it like you in concerts but only at home for fun.
Hope to hear as well from others so I can take decision to buy it or not...
friendly yoursAlfaraby - 8-14-2015 at 01:37 PM
Hello there !
More photos of the 'bridegroom' would have shed more light on this ambiguos issue and a soundfile would have cleared more mysteries, if there were
still any. However, from what we have, which is very little, we might try and judge the oud.
George Hanna Nahat (1902-1965), aka GHN in our forums, first worked as an apprentice of his father and since the late 1920's he started making ouds
under his own label. Some from 1928, if I remember correctly, were even uploaded to the forum. You may use the search engine yourself under GHN,
nahat, label etc, and get to some conclusions yourself even without waiting for others' opinion.
This label says it was made in Jan. 15, 1951 and it's serial number is 1911 !
Notwithstanding the fact that labels mean much less nowadays when every one of us have accesses to softwares like photoshop, illustrator, coreldraw
and so forth - this label is a failure ! The font is a modern type, most used in modern press, & the serial number does not get along with other
famous authentic labels.
Depending on the soundboard photo alone, one can't tell whether it's an original GHN or not. It may be, just as it may be not all original GHN's.
Therefore I'd take Adel's point of view, as a well experienced Nahat specialist. Nevertheless, you may see another 1949 GHN's, that has been
previously posted to the forum and discussed, attached herewith and compare.
