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Let me know what you decide to sell the Ghadban ouds for

i am hoping someone could help me with that. The prices fluctuate so much i have no clue to what i should ask. Im going to take it to a few places around columbus ohio and see if anyone can help me out. I doubt I'll have much luck.

gkhouri - 10-4-2015 at 09:56 PM

For what it's worth: The number on the label of Nazih's oud must be incorrect. It looks like it is oud #1230, "Sahar," not #1130. Here's a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_Lg6_qqU2M

#1130 is mentioned in a 2007 post on this forum: "ghadban sada el rouh 3 (1130)" here: http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=6426

I have Nazih's #1237 from June of 2013, so the number 1230 for an oud from the end of January of 2013 would make sense sequentially.

Jody Stecher - 10-4-2015 at 10:16 PM

Quote: Originally posted by gkhouri

For what it's worth: The number on the label of Nazih's oud must be incorrect. It looks like it is oud #1230, "Sahar," not #1130. Here's a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_Lg6_qqU2M

#1130 is mentioned in a 2007 post on this forum: "ghadban sada el rouh 3 (1130)" here: http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=6426

I have Nazih's #1237 from June of 2013, so the number 1230 for an oud from the end of January of 2013 would make sense sequentially.

Yes, the serial number is odd. 1100 series seems too low for the year 2013. And what's with the 2 different numbers on the label? However this oud is not #1230. The bowl is entirely different. Have a look here:
http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=14207
I can't tell what the bowl of the Ohio oud is made from.

and the real 2007 1130 is a 7 course oud, no?
so what is the Ohio oud? First represented as a mandolin is it going to turn out to be not a Ghadban oud either? Or a real Nazih Ghadban oud with a fake label?

Jody Stecher - 10-4-2015 at 10:19 PM

In addition, the photo of the label seems to be from the inside of a different oud than the one in the photo of the bowl. The ribs inside the bowl don't match the ribs as seen from the outside.

Jody Stecher - 10-4-2015 at 10:27 PM

On closer examination of the photos it seems to be that the photo of the front of the oud (on the table) does indeed represent #1230 after all. I can see some of the white stripe and the walnut bowl. But the photograph of the back of the bowl seems to be the bowl of a different oud. And the photograph of the label seems to show different ribs entirely.

gkhouri - 10-5-2015 at 10:38 AM

Yes, the serial number is odd. 1100 series seems too low for the year 2013. And what's with the 2 different numbers on the label?

The second number is 1130 in arabic. The the handwriting of the numbers does look like the the writing on the label of my oud.
ohioguy, you should ask Nazih. His correct email is on the label. He'll be happy to help

Jason - 10-5-2015 at 10:39 AM

It is almost definitely the same oud Robert was selling a few years ago... the lighting makes it look different. The build year on the label also makes sense. Pay close attention to the long somewhat parallel black stripe on the grain of the bowl. You can see it in both pictures

http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/files.php?pid=96573&aid=27...

compare to

http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/files.php?pid=108436&aid=3...

I don't know about the label though. I have oud 1029 from 2004 so he would obviously be far beyond the 1100's in 2013. It is possible Nazih simply wrote the wrong number on the label. Easiest way to find out is to ask him.

Jody Stecher - 10-5-2015 at 11:03 AM

Jason, you are right about the light. The photo of the bowl of Robert's oud shows alternate ribs of vertical grain and diagonal grain. Same as in the Ohio photo where the light makes the color green-yellow. But the ribs in the photo of the label are alternating dark and light. It does not look like all walnut. So the photo of the label appears to be of the interior of a different oud.

It is almost definitely the same oud Robert was selling a few years ago... the lighting makes it look different. The build year on the label also makes sense. Pay close attention to the long somewhat parallel black stripe on the grain of the bowl. You can see it in both pictures

http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/files.php?pid=96573&aid=27...

compare to

http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/files.php?pid=108436&aid=3...

I don't know about the label though. I have oud 1029 from 2004 so he would obviously be far beyond the 1100's in 2013. It is possible Nazih simply wrote the wrong number on the label. Easiest way to find out is to ask him.

Jason - 10-5-2015 at 12:42 PM

Yeah I can't tell if the alternating light stripes are wood or strips of tape/paper. I have a couple of ouds with the strips on the inside of the bowl, not sure of their purpose. My Ghadban oud even has alternating dark stripes even though the bowl is all walnut like above. But it could also be from a different oud entirely.

ohioguy - 10-5-2015 at 03:20 PM

On closer examination of the photos it seems to be that the photo of the front of the oud (on the table) does indeed represent #1230 after all. I can see some of the white stripe and the walnut bowl. But the photograph of the back of the bowl seems to be the bowl of a different oud. And the photograph of the label seems to show different ribs entirely.

I apologize for the poor quality pictures. I will try to take better ones this evening, and only of the one of the known maker so it will hopefully help. I appreciate everyones time and input on this. I will keep you posted

Jody Stecher - 10-5-2015 at 03:38 PM

More detailed clearer photos of the non-Ghadban oud might lead to the identification of the unknown maker and therefore might lead to a proper evaluation of that oud.

ohioguy - 10-5-2015 at 06:22 PM

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ohioguy - 10-5-2015 at 06:23 PM

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ohioguy - 10-5-2015 at 06:24 PM

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ohioguy - 10-5-2015 at 06:24 PM

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ohioguy - 10-5-2015 at 06:27 PM

More detailed clearer photos of the non-Ghadban oud might lead to the identification of the unknown maker and therefore might lead to a proper evaluation of that oud.

I will try to get more of that one tomorrow I have that one stored in my storage unit. but I did just post hopefully better pictures of the nazih. one person questioned if the stripes inside were wood or paper and it appears to be paper. I also emailed nazih himself and I will let everyone know what his answer is. again I appreciate everyones help and input

Jody Stecher - 10-5-2015 at 06:28 PM

These new photos clear up most of the mysteries. It is definitely one oud, not 3 !

Nazih Ghadban - 10-5-2015 at 10:54 PM

Greetings for All
before all the oud exposed here is mine but there is a fault by writing the serial number "1130" in place of "1230"
this is my fault . I am very sorry
everything is correct for this oud which is made in 24-1-2013. this is "Sahar 1230" which was sold to Mr Robert Abrams at Nottingham -USA in 1-8-2013. it is a great oud .
the new owner can make the correction at the label by writing 1230 in place of 1130.

All The Best
Nazih

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ohioguy - 10-6-2015 at 02:35 AM

Jason you are correct nazih emailed me back and confirmed it.

Jason - 10-6-2015 at 09:29 AM

Nice to see the mystery solved

ohioguy - 10-6-2015 at 07:06 PM

thank you everyone for your input, I really appreciate it. now that It has been identified it will help me in selling it, I am torn as to only sell locally due to concerns about shipping damage, does anyone have any experience good or bad with a shipper?

Jody Stecher - 10-6-2015 at 10:10 PM

One domestic shipper is as good as another although I personally prefer the post office. The difference between shipping success and failure is usually dependent on how well the item has been packed. An oud is like a mirror. No part of the instrument can touch the inner walls of the packing box. It has to be suspended in absorbent packing material and is such a way that the energy from any blow to the outside of the box is absorbed by the walls and the packing material between the inner walls and the oud.

Alfaraby - 10-7-2015 at 02:44 AM

what measurements would be helpful ?

Now that Nazih's oud mystery has been solved, we still have the other one !
Length, width, depth of the bowl, strings length, fingerboard, soundholes diameter, distance between their centers and from the edges and so forth. A sketch of the allover measurements might help.
The soundboard seems asymmetrical, or is it only the shooting angel that distorted the symmetry ?
Thank you

Yours indeed
Alfaraby

Jason - 10-7-2015 at 07:26 AM

The soundboard is definitely symmetrical, the pictures are just taken from an angle. Here are some details from Nazih's youtube page:

-its soundboard is of Sitka spruce
-its Bowl of Lebanese walnut with two white stripe of maple
-pegs,fingerboard,PickGuard are of Ebony
-6ocm as stringlength

Jody Stecher - 10-7-2015 at 07:38 AM

The soundboard is definitely symmetrical, the pictures are just taken from an angle. Here are some details from Nazih's youtube page:

-its soundboard is of Sitka spruce
-its Bowl of Lebanese walnut with two white stripe of maple
-pegs,fingerboard,PickGuard are of Ebony
-6ocm as stringlength

why would Nazih have a youtube page displaying ohioguy's unidentified oud?

ohioguy - 10-7-2015 at 04:00 PM

why would Nazih have a youtube page displaying ohioguy's unidentified oud?

im going to assume Nazih made the video before the original owner purchased it from him, I know the original owner posted it for sale in 2013 then decided to keep it. I purchased it at an estate sale in ohio about a week ago. im not sure how long they owned it but I was told they bought it for the looks of it(an art piece) they didn't play it. I bought it for the same reason, mostly because ive never seen anything like it and it truly is stunning. knowing now what it is I do not feel like I should just keep it in my closet ( I have four little ones that would try to play with it if I left it sitting out) I plan on keeping the unknown maker one as a "wallhanger" I have decided to sell it locally only or the purchaser would arrange the shipping. it has a leather case with it. if it had a hard case I would be more open to ship it. my last question for the group is what is a fair sale price( or a starting price) for these? I know it was purchased for 2000 U.S. in 2013.i do not know enough about these to know what a used one is worth.

Jody Stecher - 10-7-2015 at 05:26 PM

My little joke seems to have gone wrong. I believe Alfraby was asking about the dimensions of the Other Oud, The Unknown Oud.

We already all knew the dimensions of the oud that Nazih Ghadban built.

There are some real experts on this forum (Not me) who might be able to identify the maker if they could see better photos and knew the dimensions of the oud.

ohioguy - 10-7-2015 at 05:37 PM

My little joke seems to have gone wrong. I believe Alfraby was asking about the dimensions of the Other Oud, The Unknown Oud.

We already all knew the dimensions of the oud that Nazih Ghadban built.

There are some real experts on this forum (Not me) who might be able to identify the maker if they could see better photos and knew the dimensions of the oud.

Im sorry i misread it. I will try to get the measurements this weekend. Someone was nice enough to message me what measurements would be helpful so im going to get them this weekend

Dr. Oud - 10-8-2015 at 07:23 AM

One domestic shipper is as good as another although I personally prefer the post office. The difference between shipping success and failure is usually dependent on how well the item has been packed. An oud is like a mirror. No part of the instrument can touch the inner walls of the packing box. It has to be suspended in absorbent packing material and is such a way that the energy from any blow to the outside of the box is absorbed by the walls and the packing material between the inner walls and the oud.

Good advice, I would add that the carton can be made with 2 medium moving cartons measuring 16inx16inx18in. One carton is closed at the bottom, then the next is placed on the outside of the bottom and positioned to provide at least one inch clearance top and bottom. The overlapping flaps are taped together inside and out, leaving the top open. This will provide a double wall at the center and is within the USPS large package size limits. The best cushioning material is poly vinyl styrene (PVS) foam sheet, that white stuff that is used in commercial packaging. It dissipates shock across the foam sheet rather than transferring it to the instrument. Place a 1in thick sheet at the bottom and top of the carton. A 1/8 in plywood sheet can be added over the face if you don't have a case. This might prevent damage to the face from a fork lift penetrating the carton (it has happened at FedEx, and the claim for damage was reduced from $800 to $135!). Cut out a clearance hole around the bridge, and be sure to loosen all the strings. Place the oud in a plastic ba gfor moisture protection even in a case, place it case diagonally across the corners rather than flat against a side wall. Then fill the empty space with any material: crumpled paper, bubble wrap, foam peanuts, plastic bags, excelsior (wood shavings) foam rubber, old clothes, whatever. Mark the carton fragile on all six sides and which side is up so the pegbox is at the top, tape all seams with heavy duty packaging tape. USPS is cheapest and they honor insurance claims. FedEx sells insurance but won't pay if damaged (my experience). UPS won't insure musical instruments. USPS can ship to some International places, otherwise use DHL.

Jody Stecher - 10-8-2015 at 08:02 AM

my favorite packing material is wadded up old newspaper, mostly because it is easy to come by and ever so much easier to dispose of then foam chips. YES: the sheets of PVS are effective. When shipping an instrument that has a case I also make sure that the instrument cannot move around in the case. It should be secured with soft material. The two carton idea is excellent. As a variant I have made a cardboard "hat" with footlong flaps on all sides and placed it over the end with an opening.

I have never shipped an instrument that arrived broken. I have certainly received broken instruments and it has always been quite obviously the fault of the person who carelessly packed the instrument. Of course a shipped package will get bumped around during its journey. This is a given and is not a question of Perhaps and Maybe. Some instrument sellers (not professionals) are as stubborn as mules and will not take the time and effort to pack an instrument carefully. They say :well only a small part of the instrument was touching the inner wall of the packing box. And I think to myself "and only a small part of your so-called brain is working".

Quote: Originally posted by Dr. Oud

ohioguy - 10-8-2015 at 03:49 PM

what would the members recommend as a way to sell it? ebay or a set price and meet. I cant play the instrument so I would rather have someone look at it firsthand to make sure its what they want

Jody Stecher - 10-8-2015 at 04:17 PM

what would the members recommend as a way to sell it? ebay or a set price and meet. I cant play the instrument so I would rather have someone look at it firsthand to make sure its what they want

Why not offer it for sale here? Where in Ohio are you?

ohioguy - 10-8-2015 at 06:31 PM