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Tar Lute Construction

jdowning - 10-18-2015 at 10:02 AM

I came across this article on construction of a TAR that I thought may be of general interest.

http://inthegapbetween.free.fr/pierre/PROCESS_PROJECT/process_tar.p...

rootsguitar - 10-19-2015 at 05:12 PM

Good stuff! I've been enjoying some youtube clips of the TAR since seeing this post.


Also curious of the Iranian names for some of the tools. Especially the short handled adz.

I think I found the translation:

تیشه زدن

I'm curious how this is pronounced & if the tool name is similar in other languages spoken there.

Really an elegant instrument that seems much more ancient than the mid 1800's form origins described in wikipedia. It may be that the entry there is still being built upon?

Also the attached image is from this link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adze#/media/File:Adzes,_Marshall_and_Y...

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abc123xyz - 10-19-2015 at 07:56 PM

Quote: Originally posted by rootsguitar  
Also curious of the Iranian names for some of the tools. Especially the short handled adz.

I think I found the translation:

تیشه زدن

That's the verbal phrase, tīše zadan, meaning to work (literally "strike") with an adze.

Adze is simply تیشه tīše.

Quote: Originally posted by rootsguitar  
I'm curious how this is pronounced

Approximately like tea-SHE, with the final e similiar to the e in English pet.

Quote: Originally posted by rootsguitar  
& if the tool name is similar in other languages spoken there.

In other languages spoken in Iran? Besides Farsi, the main Iranian languages spoken in Iran are Mazandarani, Gilaki, Kurdish, Luri, and Balochi. I don't know offhand what the word for adze is in any of those, but you might be able to find dictionaries online.

Besides Iranian languages, Turkish, Armenian, and Arabic have a long history in Iran too.

Quote: Originally posted by rootsguitar  
Really an elegant instrument that seems much more ancient than the mid 1800's form origins described in wikipedia. It may be that the entry there is still being built upon?

Oh, of course it's ancient, but checking Wikipedia just now the article does say that the adze is a "prehistoric cutting tool [...] dating back to the stone age".

David

jdowning - 10-20-2015 at 04:46 AM

According to Hans E. Wulff 'The Traditional Crafts of Persia', 1966, the carpenter's adze was called 'tiseh' the tapered socket on the blade (to hold the wooden handle) is called 'lule' and the cutting edge is called 'dam-e tiseh'.
The adze is certainly a very ancient tool and still readily available and used today (Lee Valley of Ottowa stock several types (for a price!).

Having used a 19th C carpenter's adze over a seven year period, when I worked at a 'living history' museum, I can appreciate the skill demonstrated by these craftsmen in carving out the bowl of the Tar. Not as easy as it might first appear requiring a very precise control of the tool - a good physical workout too!

suz_i_dil - 10-20-2015 at 06:31 AM

Thank you for this article.
What an amazing work to see how they carve the bowl of the tar

rootsguitar - 10-21-2015 at 02:49 PM

Hey thank you both for the translations I look fwd to having time to look into the tools names more soon.

...will get back to this thread if I find something good.


...also that book looks very worthwhile.

A living museum sounds like a cool place to work, I can imagine some live lute music would have fit too.


ALso here's a TAR clip, a great solo performance:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZjqtuYUvTE


& a documentary:

https://youtu.be/hutCPOQcb6o

bulerias1981 - 10-24-2015 at 06:09 AM

That's all cool and fun, but why do I have NO desire to make one of these!? hahaha