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Erlanger's maqamat and Yekta's makamlar at pdf

fernandoamartin - 3-29-2016 at 05:41 PM

Hi.
I'm sharing here the links to the pages of Encyclopédie de la Musique where Rauf Yekta wrote examples of seyirler of 30 turkish makamlar and the pages of La Musique Arabe where Erlanger explains and demonstrates examples of taqasim in 119 arabic maqamat. (The link posted earlier at this forum is now broken.) Both books were written at 30's and 40's, so they are probably at public domain now.
They are important sources for research at makam music.

La Musique Arabe

Encyclopédie de la Musique

Have a lot of fun! :D

Jody Stecher - 3-29-2016 at 06:07 PM

Thank you so much for this. I have been going through the D'Erlanger notations this evening and finding it interesting and engaging to see what has remained the same since it was published and what has changed. It seems Rast is eternal.

fernandoamartin - 3-30-2016 at 01:23 AM

Rast is so important and has such a large repertoire that it seems to have remained the same trhough the years and through the countries (e.g. arabic and turkish cultures). However what I think is nice in makam music is that we have several optional tendences. So if we find a makam that is different along the time or from arabic to turkish music we can borrow some ideas and make it sound richer. That's why I like to take a look at Erlanger's, Yekta's and other's notations. I compare them and try to take the best out of them.

John Erlich - 3-30-2016 at 01:33 PM

Thanks for sharing!

Jody Stecher - 3-31-2016 at 12:23 PM

Maqam-s 84 through 89 and 91 through 106 are missing. In other words it goes from from 83 directly to 90, and the next page is 107. How can one find the missing pages please?

alaaraj - 3-31-2016 at 03:48 PM

Thanks for the treasure :-)

fernandoamartin - 4-1-2016 at 07:34 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Jody Stecher  
Maqam-s 84 through 89 and 91 through 106 are missing.


I had browsed through all the pages and hadn't noticed it.

I sent some messages to users who posted who posted about Erlanger's book in other threads. But I don't know if they're still active here and if they have the missing pages.

I did my best to share this treasure with you but now I'd like very much to have the missing pages too.

Does anyone have them or know someone who has and could post them here please?
If someone I can put them in a single file and post them again here.

Thanks.

ALAMI - 4-1-2016 at 10:09 AM

They are not missing, 84-89 and 91-106 are only text, they just are just text description for the Maqams without notation

ALAMI - 4-1-2016 at 10:13 AM

Here they are, a quick snapshot with my phone from the original book

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Jody Stecher - 4-1-2016 at 10:34 AM

This is welcome news. Thank you, Alami.

ALAMI - 4-1-2016 at 10:51 AM

And here are the Links (In 3 Parts, Round 7MB each) to the TOME I of Erlanger Books, It is About AlFarabi's Historical Book: Kitab Al Musiqa Al Kabir - Grand Traite de La Musique

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Part_2
Part_3

fernandoamartin - 4-1-2016 at 12:30 PM

Thank you very much Alami for the help. Your snapshots are nicely readable.
It's good to know that now we're not missing any maqam.
Turks pay a lot of attention to composite makamlar and many well know and important arabic maqamat are considered composite by turks. I was surprised to know that the concept of composite maqam exists (or existed) in arabic music too.
I said that I would put all of them in a single file, but since those pages don't have notation I put them in a new pdf file.
Here it is:

La_Musique_Arabe_Les_Composes

Thanks again.

Jody Stecher - 4-1-2016 at 01:59 PM

I apologize for my bad manners in asking "but where?" when a gift like this is being offered so generously. I will be bull in a china shop and ask anyway. Some pages do seem to be missing from the telephone snapshot and from the new pdf file (and 93 through 96 was posted twice). The question remains: what are the maqams with the numbers 87 through 90, and 98 through 106?
Thank you for your kindness, fernandoamartin and ALAMI.

fernandoamartin - 4-1-2016 at 04:10 PM

It seems that the lost maqamat are vey rare and there is very limited information about them.
Anyway there are some other helpful sources, some of them with examples and rare makams.

fernandoamartin - 4-1-2016 at 04:14 PM

http://musiqana.net/category.aspx?catid=17
http://www.alsiadi.com/maqamat.html
http://www.maqamworld.com/index.html
http://www.oud.eclipse.co.uk/theory.html
http://www.sufi.gen.tr/makamlaren.php
http://www.neyzen.com/ney_klasik_eserler.html
http://eksd.org.tr/turk_sanat_muzigi/makamlar.php
http://www.adamgood.com/turkish_nota/seyir.php?makam=4&sort=for...
http://www.unfretted.com/lessons/turkish-makam/

Hope they will be helpful for you as they are for me.

Brian Prunka - 4-1-2016 at 04:47 PM

I have a PDF of Tome 5 also, but it is missing the same pages.
After comparing, it looks like what is missing:

Page 295 (numbers 87, 88, 89)
Pages 300-301 (numbers 98-106)

Very curious that these are missing. I wonder if someone can find a copy with the missing info.

ALAMI - 4-2-2016 at 12:16 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Jody Stecher  
I apologize for my bad manners in asking "but where?" when a gift like this is being offered so generously. I will be bull in a china shop and ask anyway. Some pages do seem to be missing from the telephone snapshot and from the new pdf file (and 93 through 96 was posted twice). The question remains: what are the maqams with the numbers 87 through 90, and 98 through 106?
Thank you for your kindness, fernandoamartin and ALAMI.


Page 295, posted above (removed the double post and put the correct one)

Basically
84-89 : compond Kurdi modes
91-97: compound Busalik modes

fernandoamartin - 4-2-2016 at 11:31 AM

Thank you again Alami.
Most people say that Erlanger described 1119 maqamat. But this is why I saw someone write that he described and exemplified 100 maqamat. (Well, if I counted correctly they are really 98 examples.) I don't know why but it seems that those compoound maqamat are so rare (or maybe easy build) that he didn't put any example about them. Turkish sources have lots of compound makamlar but I got surprised to see that the concept of compound maqam also existis (or exited) in arabic music.

fernandoamartin - 4-2-2016 at 11:38 AM

As this thread unfolds I've been updating the pdf file on my link:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=A5BEB4492AD8CCFC!483&authk...

But just out of curiosity:
What is the content of maqamat 98 - 106?