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koyde sabah score / arabic notation

suz_i_dil - 3-9-2019 at 01:47 AM

Hello

does anyone came across a score of Koyde Sabah, for Cinucen Tanrikorur, in arabic notation to share ?

I would be thankful to get it to work this piece

best regards

John Erlich - 3-10-2019 at 08:39 PM

I don't have an Arabic score for this piece, but have you already found a Turkish score? Maybe you could be the one to transpose it to Arabic notation?

https://divanmakam.com/forum/saz-semaisi-cinucen-tanrikorur-huseyni....

suz_i_dil - 3-12-2019 at 03:52 AM

) right, actually i was thinking to do it.
An amount of work when you are not used to it..but as everything can be a begin practice to make it easier and usual to do.
Must check back the programs to use for music notation. I checked those long ago but didnt used them so much so i totally forgot about.
thanks for the link !

Microber - 3-12-2019 at 07:41 AM

I use MuseScore https://musescore.org/fr. It's free, easy to use, makes very nice scores.
A lot of plug-ins are available, as for example [Quartertone player] made by Gilbert Yammine, a qanun player. It allows you to play quatertone and microtonals.
I could do the transposition too. But I won’t have enough time for two months.
Furthermore, since one year, I use more and more Turkish scores directly without transposition. Matter of practice. :-)

adamgood - 3-12-2019 at 06:23 PM

I'm a bit swamped these days but I'd like to get around to making notation for this piece and would then be able to transpose easily. Will let you know.

Adam

adamgood - 3-13-2019 at 06:18 PM

Ok I couldn't resist because this composition from Cinuçen is so incredible. Here's the source I used which might or might not be his own handwriting I'm not sure:

https://www.neyzen.com/nota_arsivi/02_klasik_eserler/043_huseyni/hus...

Attached find my Turkish and from Arabic transposition. Note that his actual performances from later years vary slightly from what's on paper. At some point I'd like to do a notation for how he played it.

Let me know if you find any mistakes!

Adam

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adamgood - 3-13-2019 at 06:19 PM

Here's the Arabic notation pitch levels...

Adam

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Microber - 3-14-2019 at 06:15 AM

Thank you so much Adam ! :applause:

ChanningPDX - 3-14-2019 at 10:31 AM

Wow! Thank you for these wonderful transcriptions!
I suspect these should keep many of us busy for a while...

ilovegreentea - 3-31-2019 at 11:58 PM

Hi all! Just a thought. Instead of transcribing the Turkish notation into concert pitch, wouldn't transposing your strings be a more efficient way? Most turks would play Koyde Sabah in kiz tuning; string 4 corresponds to La, if you're in Arabic tuning, you're in luck since string 4 is tuned to A. You can play as written, although the score would look odd since it's written an octave higher than most concert pitch scores for Arabic music.

adamgood - 4-1-2019 at 05:27 AM

Quote: Originally posted by ilovegreentea

Hi all! Just a thought. Instead of transcribing the Turkish notation into concert pitch, wouldn't transposing your strings be a more efficient way? Most turks would play Koyde Sabah in kiz tuning

The purpose of the transposed notation wasn't to put it into "concert pitch", I really see it as transposing from Turkish notation to Arabic notation system...although Arabic system uses less accidentals but you get the point. Also, behind the scenes it's a proof of concept for me that the development of the makam and transposition support I've been working on for Lilypond is working!

:applause:

Regarding where most Turks will play Koyde Sabah, from Kiz tuning, true because it's fun and sounds great! And the composer himself played it exclusively from that tuning (I just checked my audio database if there were any recordings of him from bolahenk, nope). Also Necati Celik has done much to popularize it and the kiz tuning itself. For Arabic tuning it'd work to read Turkish notation at concert level. But, for an Arabic musician it won't look like Huseyni but yes great idea.

And now I'll bring it back to the idea of transposing on paper...I think it's an important task to propagate Turkish notation into Arabic notation and vice versa (or at least pitch levels).

Adam

suz_i_dil - 4-1-2019 at 11:21 AM

i had missed your transcription !
i was trying it right now, wonderful work. To be shared

Regarding your idea, it is great. Actually i think it is rather usual to find turkish tunes transpose to arabic notaiotn (though classical works usually) but i dont think so much from arabic to turkish
Thanks very much !

suz_i_dil - 4-1-2019 at 11:36 AM

just a remark on the score:

last measure for the teslim, i use E natural to go to sol then E half flat when descending. i think to hear something this way when Necati Celik plays it and i love this effect
I play the E the same way on the last measure from the 2nd hane

adamgood - 4-4-2019 at 07:04 AM

Quote: Originally posted by suz_i_dil

just a remark on the score:

last measure for the teslim, i use E natural to go to sol then E half flat when descending. i think to hear something this way when Necati Celik plays it and i love this effect
I play the E the same way on the last measure from the 2nd hane

That E pitch will always need to be written as segah, E 1koma flat. Ussak is just always written this way.

Also in practice, it should not be played like as high as E natural like buselik. 1 koma flat at it's highest but yes much lower to make the resolution.

suz_i_dil - 4-5-2019 at 12:18 PM

yes you're perfectly right in tune a bit lower than E natural, and more lower for resolution. But im not used to talk in komas, I need to practice more theory.
Thanks for the precision

John Erlich - 4-6-2019 at 07:22 PM

Quote: Originally posted by adamgood

Here's the Arabic notation pitch levels...

Adam

Hi Adam,

May I share this score on my "Turkish Music for Non-Turks" Facebook page? I will credit you as the arranger.

Thanks much,
John

adamgood - 4-7-2019 at 08:46 AM

Quote: Originally posted by John Erlich

Quote: Originally posted by adamgood

Here's the Arabic notation pitch levels...

Adam

Hi Adam,

May I share this score on my "Turkish Music for Non-Turks" Facebook page? I will credit you as the arranger.

Thanks much,
John

John sure please share but I didn't arrange! "notation by Adam Good" should do the trick.

John Erlich - 4-7-2019 at 04:18 PM

Quote: Originally posted by adamgood

Quote: Originally posted by John Erlich

Quote: Originally posted by adamgood

Here's the Arabic notation pitch levels...

Adam

Hi Adam,

May I share this score on my "Turkish Music for Non-Turks" Facebook page? I will credit you as the arranger.

Thanks much,
John

John sure please share but I didn't arrange! "notation by Adam Good" should do the trick.

Thanks, Adam! I will credit you with "notation." LOL