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Can I tune CFAdgc strings to CGAdgc?

Victoria - 3-6-2023 at 11:37 AM

Hey everyone.

I have been recommended a set of strings which says it is to be used with CFAdgc tuning. However, I would like to use CGAdgc because this is what I am used to and it is used in my online lectures. Is it okay to buy CFAdgc strings and tune the F string to G instead?

These are the strings I want to try the next time I am to change them: https://www.thomann.de/dk/daddario_ej95a_oud_silver_plated_copper.ht...

Thanks in advance :)

Brian Prunka - 3-6-2023 at 12:02 PM

Yes, this should be okay. Most commercially available sets for C tuning have the 5th course calibrated more for F# (splitting the diifference) or G so that they can be tuned either way. This set is approximately calibrated for F# so the G is a little high and the F a tad low. So G is a little high but not excessive on most ouds - if your oud is longer than 61cm I might recommend buying a lighter string for that course (D'addario .031in or equivalent).

Generally, tuning one pair of strings a bit high or low is not cause for concern - the amount of tension to be concerned about is the total tension for the set, and tuning one pair a step high just adds about 1 Kg of tension to a total tension that is 33-40Kg. If you tuned a string way high (like a third or more) then that might add enough to worry about.

That aside - 98% of oud playing is on the top 4 courses, so there is relatively little concern over how you tune the 5th/6th courses. It's mainly a convenience for having supportive low notes. Everything melodic that can be played with the string tuned G can be played with F as well, it's only some things that you want a drone for that the low G really makes a difference. Most oud players will tune 5/6 up or dowmn depending on what they are doing and simply adjust the few notes necessary.


Victoria - 3-7-2023 at 11:24 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Brian Prunka  
Yes, this should be okay. Most commercially available sets for C tuning have the 5th course calibrated more for F# (splitting the diifference) or G so that they can be tuned either way. This set is approximately calibrated for F# so the G is a little high and the F a tad low. So G is a little high but not excessive on most ouds - if your oud is longer than 61cm I might recommend buying a lighter string for that course (D'addario .031in or equivalent).

Generally, tuning one pair of strings a bit high or low is not cause for concern - the amount of tension to be concerned about is the total tension for the set, and tuning one pair a step high just adds about 1 Kg of tension to a total tension that is 33-40Kg. If you tuned a string way high (like a third or more) then that might add enough to worry about.

That aside - 98% of oud playing is on the top 4 courses, so there is relatively little concern over how you tune the 5th/6th courses. It's mainly a convenience for having supportive low notes. Everything melodic that can be played with the string tuned G can be played with F as well, it's only some things that you want a drone for that the low G really makes a difference. Most oud players will tune 5/6 up or dowmn depending on what they are doing and simply adjust the few notes necessary.



That is nice to know. I did not even know that they make it possible choosing between F and G but this makes a lot of sense as these are some common tunings you want to switch between. The scale (free vibrating length) of my oud is just below 61 cm. I suppose that was what you meant by the oud length :)

Then I will try out the set I mentioned next time I have to change the strings or maybe even the Aquila red string set. I want to try out different sets rather than simply sticking to one as I am new to oud playing and need to find what I prefer most.

Thanks for your comprehensive reply! :applause:

Brian Prunka - 3-7-2023 at 11:34 AM

61cm is starting to get into the longer size ouds, but this is the scale we used when designing this set so it should be okay.

The Aquila sets are a bit lighter tension and might work well for your oud.

Victoria - 3-7-2023 at 11:55 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Brian Prunka  
61cm is starting to get into the longer size ouds, but this is the scale we used when designing this set so it should be okay.

The Aquila sets are a bit lighter tension and might work well for your oud.


Ok then. So I guess it is just fine then. Were you involved in the development of the strings? Wow :bowdown:

Well looks like I now have some more strings to choose from in general since I can use CFAdgc sets.