hey guys, im working on a research project about the oud, and I was wanting to know in general, who are some of the absolute most influential oud
players of all time?syrianoud - 11-29-2005 at 12:38 AM
The Best oudist ever was Farid Al Atrash . he died several years ago.
Best Regards
Samir , Californiapeppeo77 - 11-29-2005 at 03:01 AM
I agree, definitely Farid El Atrache, you can find stuff about him on the net, but also the Bashir brothers, Naseer Shamma, one of my favourites),
Anouar Brahem, Dhafer Youssef...
ciao ciao, Giuseppe.Elias - 11-29-2005 at 03:26 AM
Dear Beppe,
i agree about Farid,the Bashir Bros and Naseer...but including Anouar Brahem and Dhafer Youssef inside a research project about the MOST INFLUENTIAL
OUD PLAYERS THAN EVER i think it's too much....i love brahem and youssef, thay are amazing players with great feeling, but i think that there are so
many other greater players in the history of the oud...
...they are so famous in Europe due to the great(AND NICE...) work they made putting togheter different musical cultures and of course cause they are
very very colse to western music in their style and compositions....but it's only my opinion...
ciao!
eliaspeppeo77 - 11-29-2005 at 03:47 AM
I definitely agree with you Elias, but I mentioned Brahem and Youssef simply because, in my opinion, they gave an important contribution to the
developement of the oud and its knowledge in Europe. They also gave the opportunity to a lot of jazz listeners to know the oud and arabic music as
well.
Ciao, Giuseppe.oudman - 11-29-2005 at 03:52 AM
Farid el Atrache, and definitely more influential than the Bashir brothers and Naseer Shamma were Yorgo Bacanos and Serif Muhittin Targan.Elias - 11-29-2005 at 04:00 AM
Of course Victor!....we don't have to forget this names.....also because without these names we couldn't have the Bashirs.... the Shamma...the Shukur
and so on ....ecc.ecc.....
the list is so long!;-)
salamat
eliasSamirCanada - 11-29-2005 at 06:36 AM
Riad el Sunbati..
because there wouldnt have been a Farid in the first place.
I agree with elias about brahem and youssef. I think that they took the oud and managed to integrate it with western music. Where as The many greats
mentionned above have developped the oud in itself. I think oudists like Abady el Johar, Nasser Shamma, Necati Celik, Said Chraibi are keeping the
flame alive... and I might be forgeting a few
Also...
Abdo Nahat and Gamil Gergis because they wouldnt have sounded so good if it wasnt for them.Jonathan - 11-29-2005 at 09:23 AM
Udi Yorgo Bacanos and Udi Hrant Kenkulian were both very influential on the Turkish school.Andy - 11-29-2005 at 01:18 PM
Let's not forget Simon Shaheen another who was mentioned already is Nasser Shamma.
research
jshead - 11-29-2005 at 03:58 PM
You might want break your study into two areas modern and historical.
I would give another vote for Simon Shaheen for the modern era.spyros mesogeia - 11-30-2005 at 12:42 AM
Dear friend,
Yorgos Bacanos,Sherif Muhidin Targan,Kadri Sencalar,Marco Tsolakoglou,Hrant Kenkulian,and ofcourse Farid Elatrache,and Munir Bashir and many others
Regards to all
SpyrosTruePharaoh21 - 11-30-2005 at 12:19 PM
Mohammed el-Qasabji: oudist for Om Kolthoum. If it wasn't for him, many oud players in the Arabic school of playing would not have come about. He
instructed many of the greats.
TP21eliot - 12-1-2005 at 07:27 AM
I'd agree that Sinbati and Qasabji are essential for the list. Farid al-Atrache certainly has had a lot of imitators in the Arab world...
... as have Cinuçen Tanrikorur and Yorgo Bacanos (and maybe to a slightly lesser extent Targan, Marko Melkon, and Hrant), in Greek, Turkish, and
Iraqi styles.
Of the current excellent Turkish oud players, Necati Çelik, Yurdal Tokcan, and Mehmet Bitmez all use elements of the Cinuçen's and Yorgo's styles.
Cinuçen and Yorgo were also influential on Iraqi oud players, too.
bhosford: I'm not sure what your research project covers, but if you're interested at all in contemporary Turkish styles, you also have to look at
highly influential musicians such as Tanburi Cemil Bey, whose tanbur playing style also affected oud playing styles of a century worth of artists.
It's just as common for a contemporary oud student to imitate a yorgo taksim as it is to imitate a cemil bey one.DD - 12-1-2005 at 11:45 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by bhosford
hey guys, im working on a research project about the oud, and I was wanting to know in general, who are some of the absolute most influential oud
players of all time?
Hi Bhosford,
I'm not nearly as knowledgeable on the subject as the others who have replied here, but because you specifically asked about the most
influential oud players of all time, you'd probably like to note the people who have been most influential in bringing the instrument and its
music to the rest of the world, outside the Middle East.
To the best of my knowledge (and others please correct me if I'm wrong) Hamza el Din's music is well-rooted in the culture and musical traditions that
nurtured the oud, and at the same time, he is one of the most influential persons in bringing the oud, with its cultural spirit intact, to the
awareness of other cultures and traditions worldwide. He was doing this at about the same time that Ravi Shankar was doing so with his own musical
tradition (BTW Ravi Shankar performed at the first Newport Folk Festival in 1963; Hamza el Din performed at the second one in 1964).
I can speak from personal experience, in that the first oud music that ever reached me was Hamza el Din's—in a sense, he introduced me to this
forum!
best Oud player
bidaoui - 12-1-2005 at 09:52 PM
There is no such animal. There influencial ones but no one can be the best.
Farid was very influencial in his style. Others came from the Iraqi school such as Omar Bashir who influenced many including the incredible Said
Chraibi who is much better than the original in my opinion.
To me personally as a Oud player my favorite by a million miles would be the Moroccan composer Ahmed al Bidaoui, right behind him comes the great
Lebanese oudist and singer, Saliba Al Qatrib. Saliba played for Mohamed Abdelwahab and Farid. He was incredible. I have some rare recordingsSamirCanada - 12-1-2005 at 11:19 PM
I taught Said Chraibi was a student of Farid al Atrash.
The Report
bhosford - 12-2-2005 at 04:49 PM
I appreciate everyones input, thanks guys. The report itself is actually pretty cool. Im taking a world music class, and part of my final is to do a
presentation about an instrument. Naturally I chose the oud. My presentation so far is about the oud's history, it's influence on other lutes, the
design, the materials used.. etc.. and a huge part of the project was to film someone actually playing the oud. I filmed a guy by the name of Roberto
Riggio, who plays with a group in Austin called Atash. Atash Homepage It was a cool interview, and apparently he's a friend of Simon Shaheen which was pretty cool find out. Anyways, think of it as
if you were giving a presentation to a bunch of unknowledgable college kids... who would be some of the best names to give as being the all time best
or influential oud players. Anyways, so far the report is going great... im doing a bunch of research.. and by the way while im writing this, I would
appreciate if you guys could give me some interesting facts about the oud that would be cool to tell a class. Thanks guys again, your help is much
appreciated.zalzal - 12-10-2005 at 03:00 PM
In fact all replies nominated 20th century oudists.
As the question was best oudist of all times, i would say
Ishaq el Mawsili, Zyriab and of course Zalzal, all of them fm 9th to 10th century i believe, without them, we will not be here admiring chraibi, abd l
wahab, hamza el din etc etc etc
