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request - tatyos effendi's sama'i husseini

Daniel - 5-17-2006 at 12:51 AM

Hi friends,

I just joined this forum - it's really a treasure, so thanks to Mike and to all of the regulars.

My request: I am learning to play Tatyos Effendi's sama'i husseini, and I was wondering if anyone could post a good recording of it. Thanks.

Also, last night in Jerusalem I heard a Moroccan oud player Badr Al-Asili (he was a guest performer with the Israeli Andalusian Orchestra), and he blew my socks off. Does anybody here know of him? He was playing with Muhammad Warithi (sp?) on kamanja, who was also amazing.

TruePharaoh21 - 5-17-2006 at 10:28 AM

Hey Daniel!

Welcome to the forums! I hope you have as great of a time here as the rest of us do.

In response to your sama'i husseini request, I have a recording of it at home (at school right now) but I'll get that up for you within the next few days, unless another one of the other kind members (which is really everyone) can post it before that.

As for those who just want to listen to it played by an oudist that many of us are familiar with...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JUbDxEbIzWE&search=kef

Again, I'll try to get you the recording as soon as possible.

TP21

wazza - 5-17-2006 at 12:27 PM

dear friend TruePharaoh21 thank you very much for the link very exciting oudist. and the samaii I have just started to study it so many thanks.

here is the same audio presentation (as the link) recorded and ripped in Mp3 format :

http://www.hemenpaylas.com/download/740111/hussaini_samai.mp3.html

best regards and thank you again. :wavey:

adamgood - 5-17-2006 at 04:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by TruePharaoh21

As for those who just want to listen to it played by an oudist that many of us are familiar with...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JUbDxEbIzWE&search=kef

TP21


Hmmm except for me...who was that playing? I didn't recognize him or his playing. and didn't see his name listed.

adam

adamgood - 5-17-2006 at 04:53 PM

I'm slowly working on this Turkish music website...it's really rough around the edges still but I put up a nice Fasil rep collection for Huseyni, here:

http://www.adamgood.com/turkish_nota/fasil.php?composer=&makam=...

I hope that link works ok. really beautiful pieces for Huseyni, great for getting the makam in your ears.

Adam

Daniel - 5-18-2006 at 12:18 PM

Thanks a lot to all for all of the replies - it's really a great help.

Who is that oudist? Does he have any albums? I quite enjoyed his interpretation of the sama'i. It sounds to me that maybe the chord work is a bit in the Armenian style.

Anyway, thanks again, and I look forward to hearing the other version, TP21, as well as any others that people might have.

Ciao,
Daniel

wazza - 5-18-2006 at 12:59 PM

hello everybody

the more I work this samaii the more I appreciate its melodies and perfect modulations : I'm a fan of tayous compositions (samaii rast, pechref rast, samaii husseini)
here is udi hrant playing the husseini samaii (got from our beloved mikeouds' forum) :

http://www.hemenpaylas.com/download/745112/udi_hrant_huseynisazsema...

and here the same samaii but in beats performed by richard hagopian (note the armenian touch) :

http://www.hemenpaylas.com/download/745167/Richard_hagopian_Huseyni...

enjoy :)

Microber - 5-18-2006 at 01:35 PM

Waaawww
Wonderful !!!
I have learned that delicious samaï only with the scores (and the help of my teacher !)
Thank you very much for the post Wazza.
I also love samaï.
The rhythm 10/4... me fait tourner la tête (i don't find the english words, help)

Robert

wazza - 5-18-2006 at 02:44 PM

hi microber ;
i didn't understand : you mean the beauty of the samaiis make your head spin from tarab or the difficulty of the rythm (by the way: 10/8 is more correct) ??
if you want more samaii feel free to request them OK
regards
:wavey:

TruePharaoh21 - 5-18-2006 at 03:00 PM

Hey guys,

Forgive me if I was mistaken, but I do believe that the player is John Bilzekjian. I've only seen pictures of him on his website, so I may be mistaken. I know some people have seen him in person. Let us know!

TP21

Mike - 5-18-2006 at 10:45 PM

That's him alright TP. Great player isn't he? And he's a great guy too.

TruePharaoh21 - 5-18-2006 at 10:47 PM

Thanks for the confirmation, Mike. Yah, great player. Really plays it his own style; very nice.

TP21

Almost forgot...

TruePharaoh21 - 5-21-2006 at 04:53 PM

Sorry!

TP21

Bernard - 5-22-2006 at 05:04 AM

Very interesting those different ways to play a same piece. The last give by honorable TP21 seem to be the most classical one and very pleasant to play with for a young oudist. It could be good for all the members to continue in this way with different interpretations of a same piece. GO on great brothers and many thanks. Bernard

Microber - 5-22-2006 at 12:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by wazza
hi microber ;
i didn't understand : you mean the beauty of the samaiis make your head spin from tarab or the difficulty of the rythm (by the way: 10/8 is more correct) ??
if you want more samaii feel free to request them OK
regards
:wavey:

I wanted to say that playing a rhythm in 10 is for me a source of physical pleasure (:D.
And yes 10/8 is more correct.
But I learned a samaï in 10/4. It's a Samaï Lame composed by Abdul Wahab Bilal.
I am still searching for a recording of that one.
I'll post the sheet.
Robert

Husseini Semai Tatyos

spyrosc - 5-22-2006 at 06:20 PM

I have several versions of this semai, all very beautiful, one by Udi Hrant (a classic).

Unfortunately they are bigger that 1MB and I believe this is not allowed.

I can e-mail them to people if they want them.

I will try to post here a couple of smaller versions.

Spyros C.

wazza - 5-23-2006 at 10:16 AM

hi spyrosc ;
to share big files (bigger than 1mb) we use a hoster site here are links to some of them:
http://www.hemenpaylas.com
rapidshare.de
http://www.uploading.com
http://www.megaupload.com
please don't hesitate to share with us this samaii and other music treasures
best regards
:wavey:

Microber - 5-24-2006 at 09:09 AM

Yes, don't hesitate Spyrosc.
Please, don't hesitate.
37 sec of the samaï is not enough...:(

Robert

Tatyos Efendi

spyrosc - 5-24-2006 at 03:26 PM

Dear friends,

Here's a link for one version of the semai:

http://www.uploading.com/?get=P00YGWRY

This version is by the KUDSI ERGUNER ENSEMBLE from Turkey.

I recommend you buy the entire CD from Traditional Crossroads, called: Works of Kemani Tatyos Efendi

I never used this service before, so I'm not sure it will work. If it does, I will do more and let you know.

Regards
Spyros C.

zalzal - 5-25-2006 at 12:45 AM

I'm a little bit lost. Maqam husseyni has, starting D, the E 1/4 tone and the B1/4 tone.
Howeber all the sheets posted here have F# and B 1/4 tone.
Can anybody explain please ??

Also the other question posted by Daniel was about the moroccan oudist Badr Al-Asili. But seems we were so excited with the maqam husseyni that we forgot him.

Finally do not hesitate to listen at the beautiful taqsim played by Muhammad Qadri Dalal here http://www.mikeouds.com/audio/real/qadri_dalal_maqam_husayni.rm).

Husseini Semai Tatyos

spyrosc - 5-25-2006 at 10:27 AM

I believe the confusion arises because the score is probably from a Turkish source, and they score the notes differently (although they look like Western music). In fact they are off by a fixed offset. For instance a B is written as E in Turkish scores, a D is written as G and so forth. So it can be quite confusing. You may need to transcribe that score and make the changes before you can play it 'Western' style.

Good luck
Spyros C.

wazza - 5-25-2006 at 12:17 PM

excuse me spyrosc;
the answer my friend zalzal, is that the piece in transposed by a perfect 5th i.e. from D (natural tonic of maqam husseini ) to A.
(the key signature change accordingly)
that's because turkish like the highly tuned composition so they play nearly all the maqams trasposed by a 5th above the traditional and common tonic.
OK
:wavey:

Daniel - 5-25-2006 at 01:18 PM

I must say that after listening to everyone's posts I think I understand the piece a lot better. Actually, I noticed the same effect with this sama'i as when I played tatyos effendi's sama'i hijaz kar kurd - at first it seems very confusing, and then after a while you begin to feel the internal logic of the piece, and that's very rewarding.

I still find John Bilezekjian's rendition (thanks TP!) the most interesting (I still haven't figured out how he got to everything he got to), but the Udi Hrant is of course a great find.

zalzal - very nice taqsim. And thanks for bringing up again my other question, but it might be simply that no one knows him. All I know is that he's from Rabat, so if there are any Rabat natives here, maybe they would know of him.

Take care all,
Daniel

Husseini Semai Tatyos

spyrosc - 5-25-2006 at 02:28 PM

Dear Wazza,

Thak you for putting it so precisely. The word I was looking for was "transpose" and I said "transcribe". You can tell I'm not a musician. I just love the oud and to play.

I uploaded the UDI Hrant version. Here's the link:

http://www.uploading.com/?get=RWVUBIQI

Maybe you can explain something to me. If you listen to the Hrant version, you will notice that after the 4th Hanna and the Taslim, instead of the semai ending, he plays on on the same theme. I have never heard that on any other version, or indeed on any other semai. Is this common ? Are there any other examples of such semais ?

Thanks
Spyros C.

wazza - 5-25-2006 at 10:32 PM

hi spyrosc;
thank you for your kind reply, about the extra part in the samaii after the 4th hana and the taslim I think it's an improvisation on the same maqam and for which udi hrant had chosen the same energetic tempo (speed). so that we cannot easily dissociate it from the samaii.
it's common that after samaii, a musician improvise in the same maqam and improvisation is often more free and slow (relatively slow tempo).
any comments are welcome.