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Marina - 7-26-2006 at 07:08 AM

Hello all,

I have to anounce that I have passed the preliminary exhams at Jerusalem Academy Of Music & Dance and now I'm a student of Arabic Music Department (Oud). :applause:

It was note easy to enter. I was very nervous at exhams and I felt terrible when I had to play in front of Taisir Elias & other great musicians.... But I worked very hard for this and now I'm happy. :buttrock:

amtaha - 7-26-2006 at 07:38 AM

Congratualtions!

Keep up the good work.

mavrothis - 7-26-2006 at 08:03 AM

Congratulations Marina! I'm very proud for you, and hope you continue to do well.

This is a great picture by the way, your oud looks beautiful!

Congratulations again!

mav :applause:

Benjamin - 7-26-2006 at 09:38 AM

Congratulations and "kol hakavod" Marina!
It's great to see you as so few women play oud!
can you send me some details about this academy, as I will be in Beer Sheva from october 2006, and I wanted to know about the possibilities for me to study oud there and in the country (Jerusalem is not so far away from there)

Benjamin

Marina - 7-26-2006 at 11:25 AM

Hi Benjamin! Thank you. :cool:

There is the Arabic Music Department at (former Rubin) Jerusalem Music and Dance Academy. It's 4 years for B. Mus. Should have "bagrut" (high school dyploma). You should pass western theory exhams that were not naive at all, hearing, intervals etc...and most important you have to prepair 3 pieces: longa, samai & moder composition (Abdel Wahab or similar I took Tanburi Camil Bay) and taqasim of I think they want 4 modulations...They can send you the requests. You have two preliminary exhams in April '07and another in July '07 for next year 2007/08. (See on their site). Good luck! Here is their link:
http://www.jamd.ac.il
There are also some other schools, but not on Academic level. Phone me and I'll tell you more.

054 4 372 055

Jason - 7-26-2006 at 03:32 PM

Congrats Marina, I'm finishing up my degree in music (albeit a Western one) this semester. It's great fun I bet you'll enjoy it.

akram - 7-26-2006 at 08:21 PM

good luck marina
i know how much it is hard to play infront taisser elias and the others, i did it befor 2 years
akram

Branko - 7-26-2006 at 11:47 PM

Cestitamo, svaka cast :bowdown:

SamirCanada - 7-27-2006 at 04:12 AM

Congradulations.
Keep us updated on the way your studies are going.
Good job Marina! Iam proud for you.

Benjamin - 7-27-2006 at 05:11 AM

Toda raba Marina!
Your informations were useful. Actually I have other questions about this school and oud lessons in Israel but I'll ask you by phone or by email.

I'm right now in France, but may I phone you (or email you as I think i got your email from another oudlist -if you allow me to do so) later (as these days I'm very busy finishing a thesa for university)? I would be glad if you could provide me some informations about oud places and teachers in the country, so I'll phone you for that. Thanks for providing me your phone number, it's nice to see that the oud family is warm (and has no political, religious, linguistic or ethnic borders)

Keep on playing oud!
Benjamin

Branko - 7-29-2006 at 08:21 AM

Beogradski makam je obavezan za studente prve godine!

Marina - 7-29-2006 at 10:15 AM

Beogradski samai, hahahahaha :applause:

adamgood - 7-29-2006 at 11:03 PM

Zdravo guys...

Huh? what's the story behind that makam name? I can't find any info on Ahmet Çoban Giray...no birth or death years. I see that he has a Sultani Yegah Pesrev but it's really different from Sultani Yegah pieces i know. maybe he's old old old?

Marina that's so great you are in the conservatory, congratulations.

I really wish there were more schools, conservatories in Europe or the US to study Turkish or Middle Eastern music!!!

best,
Adam

al-Halabi - 7-30-2006 at 10:04 AM

The composer of this saz semaisi could be Coban Devlet Giray (his given name was Mustafa Ahmet). He was a Crimean prince who became briefly han of the Crimea in the late 1590s (the Crimea was then under Ottoman suzerainty). He died in 1629. I am not sure whether Feth-i Belgrad (which means Conquest of Belgrade) is the name of a makam that Giray made up or just a programmatic name for the piece. Ralf Martin Jager's comprehensive index of Turkish composers mentions only an Ussak piece by him, but the website below lists 13 other compositions, including the Feth-i Belgrad:

http://www.vatankirim.net/muzik.asp?yazi=zbasarslan1

billkilpatrick - 7-30-2006 at 04:08 PM

congratulations marina. i doubt you'll ever get rich but studying something as profound and beautiful as the oud in a formal setting is a rare and wonderful privilege - tante bene cose.

not entirely without envy - bill

Branko - 7-30-2006 at 07:09 PM

There is a pesrev in same maqam on this site:
http://www.neyzen.com/liste_harici.htm
which has scores of less used Turkish makamleri.

adamgood - 7-31-2006 at 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by al-Halabi
The composer of this saz semaisi could be Coban Devlet Giray (his given name was Mustafa Ahmet). He was a Crimean prince who became briefly han of the Crimea in the late 1590s (the Crimea was then under Ottoman suzerainty). He died in 1629. I am not sure whether Feth-i Belgrad (which means Conquest of Belgrade) is the name of a makam that Giray made up or just a programmatic name for the piece.

Hi thank you for the info. I don't know my Ottoman language or history so I'll ask this: if he has "Coban" in his title...does that refer to his position? I thought it means "shepard".

as far as "Feth-i Belgrad" being a makam vs. programming name that is pretty curious. Check out the pesrev and the saz semai, the seyirs are pretty similar to one another. Seems to start around the pitch çargah. I dunno what makam that part would be...there's a piece on Bezmara's CD "In Search of the Lost Sound" listed as "Cargah Pesrev" and that sounds pretty close to what this piece is doing in the beginning. then it loses its segah note for kürdi and ends like Nihavend or buselik tetrachord.

weird name for a makam if that's what it is.

also i checked out his Sultani Yegah pesrev and saz semai and they are really different from others. the key signature is just a 1 koma flat Si bemol as opposed to Si bemol + Do diyez. maybe he's just, uh, older or something!

al-Halabi - 7-31-2006 at 06:17 AM

Adam,

Giray was the name of the ruling family of the Crimea, and Coban Devlet was the composer's princely name. He actually did not rule as I had mistakenly said - it was his father who ruled briefly as han in 1596. His grandfather was the ruler Devlet Giray, famous for sacking Moscow. There was a branch of the ruling family called the Coban Girays; the composer may have come from that branch, but I don't know that for a fact.

You are right about the similar seyirs and melodic patterns of the Feth-i Belgrad pesrev and saz semai. I have not found any reference in writings on Ottoman music to a makam Feth-i Belgrad, or to any other pieces composed in a makam by that name. One plausible explanation is that the composer created and named this makam but use of it for composition did not catch on. In Ottoman music new makams were continuously being created by composers. Some of them became popular and displaced or overshadowed older makams (Hicazkar and Kurdilihicazkar, were later creations that became quite popular). Perhaps Feth-i Belgrad was one of those new creations that just did not catch on. But the name is quite odd for a makam; if it refers to the Ottoman conquest of Belgrade, that happened in 1521, well before this composer was born.

As for the Sultani Yegah pieces, their attribution to Giray may be questionable. I think that makam Sultani Yegah did not appear before the eighteenth century.

hakeem.ram - 7-31-2006 at 12:42 PM

Marina! Congratulations How i really envy your opportunity. i am here stuck with just a simple oud that i got very cheaply (probably a tourist version) and trying to play. I have been trained as an engineer all my life and to swich lines is just a bit too risky for me.

Ah well and don't forget to share a copy of your album wth us here!