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reattaching pegbox

journeyman - 8-10-2006 at 06:02 PM

Hello everyone,
I just took possession of a beautiful new oud made by Cengiz Sarikus and in spite of it being in a hard case surrounded by bubblepac, the shippers managed to knock it about enough to dislodge the peg box. Thankfully, there appears to be no damage to the wood, so it will be a simple? matter of regluing it. I will take it to a guitar builder, a very good one, as there are no oud repair people here in Toronto. My question is:
Does anyone have any advice or information about doing this procedure that I can pass on to the repairman? For example, given the shape and angles, how does one clamp it after the glue is applied? Also, will any water soluable glue, like that used on guitars work OK. Thanks in Advance.

Roy

pics of Cengiz Sarikus oud

journeyman - 8-10-2006 at 06:20 PM

pics of Cengiz Sarikus oud

journeyman - 8-10-2006 at 06:21 PM

pics of Cengiz Sarikus oud

journeyman - 8-10-2006 at 06:22 PM

Jason - 8-10-2006 at 07:27 PM

That's a nice looking oud. Why are the pictures tagged with veyselmusik.com ? That, apparently, isn't a site. I hope you get your oud fixed soon

journeyman - 8-10-2006 at 08:55 PM

Hi Jason,
Actually it is the address of Cengiz's site. He puts it on all of his photos. If you haven't been there you should check out the antique oud photos. There are some beautiful ouds pictured. I'm hoping the repair is simple. I have two ouds now that have been damaged during shipping and don't know what either one sounds like. Needles to say I am anxious to get them fixed and strung up. The other one is an older Syrian oud made by Safi. The neck snapped off on that one. I should have it back by next week.

Jason - 8-10-2006 at 09:17 PM

I think I was spelling it 'musik' instead of 'muzik' hehe. Lots of cool stuff on this site. That wild shaped oud looks fun... I'd like to try one of those out.

Dr. Oud - 8-11-2006 at 07:50 AM

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Originally posted by journeyman...My question is: Does anyone have any advice or information about doing this procedure that I can pass on to the repairman? For example, given the shape and angles, how does one clamp it after the glue is applied? Also, will any water soluable glue, like that used on guitars work OK. Thanks in Advance.

Roy

It is most likely hide glue, which you can easily test by applying a bit of warm water to the glue joint and see if it softens the glue and allows you to reposition the peg box. With the glkue softened, merely push the peg box into the glue joint so that it is snug and prop the oud up so the peg box doesn't move for a day. If the neck was cracked or split (very likely - check at the corner of the peg box notch in the neck), you'll need to glue and clamp the neck with a C-clamp and pads on both the neck and fingerboard. Use cooked hide glue if you can, yellow carpenter's glue or epoxy is ok, don't use liquid hide glue or white polyvinyl glue or any cement. Cyanoacrylate (crazy glue) dosen't work welll for most wood joints either. The neck pad needs to be curved to avoid flattening the neck Use a pad at least 1/2 inch thick and long enough to cover most of the fingerboard to apply pressure to flatten the fingerboard up to the top nut. My book has a clamping example in it. Good luck.

journeyman - 8-11-2006 at 08:41 AM

Thanks so much Richard. I'll pass this on to my repair guy. He should know what to do. He has had little experience with ouds, but has built many guitars and is a real perfectionist. I'll see him today and I'll let you know how things go. I'm actually a bit more concerned about the repair on my Safi oud that had the neck snapped off. He plans to replace the dowel with a maple one, and seems to think that it is an easy repair. Having no experience myself, I can't imagine how he can drill out the old dowel and put a new one in so the neck angle is correct. Here is a picture of the unhappy Safi.

journeyman - 8-11-2006 at 08:42 AM

Another view of the unhappy safi

Jameel - 8-11-2006 at 12:47 PM

Show us some pics of the pegbox damage, Roy.

journeyman - 8-11-2006 at 02:30 PM

Can't Jameel. There is nothing to see as it looks fine, but the glue joint has come apart and you can wiggle the peg box around. It is in the shop now and my repair guy has it clear what to do, thanks in part to advice from Richard and Haluk. He got the neck back on the Safi oud and I'll try to post some pictures when it is strung up and the rossette is back in place. We are possibly going to adjust the action and take a bit of wood out of the tone brace. Thanks everyone for your advice concerning this.

Roy