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Saz dimensions?

Reid - 7-20-2007 at 06:52 AM

does anyone own a cura saz (the shorter one) and can give me the bowl and neck dimensions? or any other construction tips would be good since this is my first one;)

Sasha - 7-20-2007 at 06:00 PM

I have two curas at home - I'll take measurements and report back...

Haluk - 7-20-2007 at 11:52 PM

Curas which I made have 25-27 cms. of bowls.

From nut to sound bridge 52-54 cms. string lenght.

Reid - 7-21-2007 at 04:07 AM

thanks! this will be of great help, but now i've gotta go to work, and the saz will have to wait :(

Reid - 7-21-2007 at 06:20 PM

how deep is the bowl? and is the soundhole on the side or on the soundboard, and what effect does this have on sound? sorry for the many questions...

Haluk - 7-22-2007 at 01:01 AM

send e-mail to me for these information.
I will send you pictures also.

PrinceAbigor - 8-14-2007 at 02:13 AM

Any new work on the saz?

HARRY - 8-14-2007 at 03:33 AM

Do you mean a different saz model from traditional saz?

Haluk - 8-14-2007 at 04:41 AM

Behind traditional models I make electric and acoustic sazs with mechanical guitar tuners for easy and lasting tune.

abc123xyz - 8-15-2007 at 05:47 PM

On the saz where the peg box (not really a box, of course) joins the neck, can anybody explain how that joint is made?

Thanks.

David

Tkoind - 8-26-2007 at 04:34 PM

Does anyone have tuning charts or information for Cura saz? Just starting and want to be sure we have the right tunings. Also are there any sites with good information about this instrument?

Peyman - 8-26-2007 at 07:01 PM

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Originally posted by abc123xyz
On the saz where the peg box (not really a box, of course) joins the neck, can anybody explain how that joint is made?

They call it a "wolf's mouth" joint. It's "V" shaped joint where the neck is pointed end and the pegbox has the V carved out of it. Then they glue and clamp the neck and the peg box. If you look closely at the joint, you'll get a better idea. The fingerboard covers this joint. Hope that helps.

abc123xyz - 8-30-2007 at 06:10 PM

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Originally posted by Peyman
They call it a "wolf's mouth" joint. It's "V" shaped joint where the neck is pointed end and the pegbox has the V carved out of it. Then they glue and clamp the neck and the peg box. If you look closely at the joint, you'll get a better idea. The fingerboard covers this joint. Hope that helps.

Thank you, Peyman; that does help indeed.

Are the sides of the V-cut angled depthwise in any way, so as to check upward movement of the peg-bearing section, or are the cuts straight, with the strength of the glue bond alone holding it in place against string tension?

David

Peyman - 8-30-2007 at 06:54 PM

I don't think the string tension is that high, at least not like a guitar. They will cause a bend in the neck eventually.
The cuts are straight, just a nice fitting wedge. Actually with a thick enough neck blank, you don't really have to make a separate peg box. On some old school saz, the peg box is not anlged at all. Try looking up some Greek saz's.
Check out: Sazadair. It has lots of info (in Turkish). This picture can help you understand. This picture shows the "wolf's mouth" where the neck joins the neck block. The same is done on the other side with the peg box.
Also youtube has videos of baglama makers in action. Search for "baglama yapimi".
hope that helps,
PB

abc123xyz - 8-30-2007 at 09:32 PM

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I don't think the string tension is that high, at least not like a guitar. They will cause a bend in the neck eventually.
The cuts are straight, just a nice fitting wedge. Actually with a thick enough neck blank, you don't really have to make a separate peg box. On some old school saz, the peg box is not anlged at all. Try looking up some Greek saz's.
Yes, I have built a few instruments like that, but hoped to learn how to make the Turkish-style saz with bent back neck too.

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Check out:Sazadair. It has lots of info (in Turkish).
That page is a gold mine to me, thank you!

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This picture can help you understand. This picture shows the "wolf's mouth" where the neck joins the neck block. The same is done on the other side with the peg box.
Also youtube has videos of baglama makers in action. Search for "baglama yapimi".
hope that helps
Yes, I've watched most of those videos, and seen the V-shaped cut, but couldn't tell if there was some sort of trick to the angle of the cut or not. You've made it all perfectly clear to me now, and I thank you again!

David

Peyman - 8-31-2007 at 08:33 AM

you're welcome friend. There is no tricks. You should cut the V a little wider on the edges where it attaches to the neck so you can cut them to shape after you glue them (to make the shape smoother as it follows the neck line).

abc123xyz - 9-13-2007 at 06:50 PM

Does anybody know what test weight of fishing line is used to fret the bağlama?

Is the same weight used on the other sizes of saz: divan, cura, etc.?

David

Haluk - 9-13-2007 at 08:45 PM

0.30 mms. for curas,0.35 for others.

abc123xyz - 9-14-2007 at 07:14 PM

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Originally posted by Haluk
0.30 mms. for curas,0.35 for others.

Thank you, Haluk.

David