Only to greet you all and to share you with
My old oud model I have made it ago about 11 years at
20-1-1997 .
it was made especially to facilitate playing the high pitches at the position4 over the soundboard.
Your opinions will be appreciated to info@oudnazihghadban.com
Best wishes to you all
Nazih
a picture to the bowl
Nazih Ghadban - 11-24-2007 at 11:57 AM
a vertical picture
Nazih Ghadban - 11-24-2007 at 11:59 AM
a vertical picto the bowl
Nazih Ghadban - 11-24-2007 at 12:02 PM
a file sound of Bayat Husseiny
Nazih Ghadban - 11-24-2007 at 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by Nazih Ghadban
Oud Freak - 11-24-2007 at 01:42 PM
Dear Mr. Ghadban,
I would like to comment on this specific oud shown in the pictures you posted. I will communicate with you in private about your oud production which
I usually appreciate, because you like to break the routine and often come with new ideas.
This particular oud you designed and made is supposed to facilitate playing the high pitches. It is true. And there is a point that I would like to
underline. Despite the possible beauty of this oud's sound, I do believe that, scientifically and acoustically, it would be better for an oud to be
symetrical and without angles. Globally, the sound of a non symetrical oud might be ok, but I don't think it will be optimal.
I repeat that my opinion might be wrong, but I believe it is more challenging to design ouds and to bring new ideas without deviating too much from
the "normal" shapes.
Best RegardsSazi - 11-24-2007 at 08:10 PM
Looks and sounds wonderful to me, love it! It will be interesting to hear the
difference in sound between this and Alami's golden mean design, though obviously this one has had time to mature.Jason - 11-24-2007 at 08:29 PM
That bowl is very impressive. It seems like it would be very challenging to build such an oud. How do you form a bowl like that without a mold?
I have adopted a position not unlike thumb position on cello to facilitate playing in the extreme upper register of the oud. After a little practice
I have no problems continuing passages from the open string up to the second octave harmonic and beyond.
I still appreciate workmanship like this though!Oud Freak - 11-24-2007 at 11:29 PM
Hi again,
I didn't say this oud isn't an original work of art and so. I just said I prefer a oud to be more normal so the sound might be richer. I think that
such a oud made by Mr. Ghadban is nice to be seen (LIVE) and tried.
I only believe partially in pics and sound files, they are necessary cos better than nothing, and they can be misleading at the same time.Oud Freak - 11-24-2007 at 11:37 PM
One comment I forgot. Maybe the most important one! This oud has been made to facilitate playing the high pitches... In the Bayati Husseini sound
file, no high pitches are heard...amtaha - 11-25-2007 at 12:17 AM
By God, master Nazih that sounds uniquely warm. Right to the heart.gilgamesh - 11-25-2007 at 01:54 AM
Marhaba ya Maestro Ghadban;So impressive! We can hear and see that such Innovation works admirably well.
You wonderfully demonstrate, once again, that when a Work is structurally sound and efficient it follows a harmonious Force and a natural
Aesthetic.
Nothing is ever fortuitous into your Work, and therefore I wonder what is the practical Reason of the Shape of this amazing Pickguard, which I have
never seen a similar...
Happy to see that the Phoencian Creativity and Courage will never break down and People of your great quality will always find Strong and innovative
in order to give to The Cedar Country the Force that it can reborn as a Phoenix.
Thank you for what you do.Yeslamo dayatak.Oud Freak - 11-25-2007 at 03:30 AM
I don't know if the attached image shows a real oud, I remember I saved it from this forum maybe a month ago, but I personally and honestly find the
model elegant, smooth and refined. Really impressive curves.Benjamin - 11-25-2007 at 03:40 AM
Dear Nazih,
Your oud looks great and sounds great, and indeed it must be a challenging adventure to build such an oud.MatthewW - 11-25-2007 at 05:53 AM
Salam all- Dear Nazih, that is a very interesting concept to apply to the oud for somewhat easier access to the higher register. Bravo my friend! We
need to be open to change and innovation, and give new ideas a chance to mature. Look at the acoustic guitar, there was a time when it had the same
equal curves on both sides of the body where the neck and fingerboard met the body. Over time as individual playing techniques developed and more
players wanted better access to the highr frets, the 'cutway' guitar made it's appearance. As with this oud design, one side of the guitar's body was
lowered or 'cut-away'. It broke with tradition, some welcomed it and others were not so sure. However over time this design was fully accepted into
the guitar playing community and is now as common as guitars with the tradional shape. Pehaps one day in the not so distant future this unique oud
design will also be more commonplace, and chosen and used by those players who find it helps with their own particular style of playing.
The oud in the photo submitted by Oudfreak is even more interesting- it not only has the oud 'cutaway' design, but 7 courses as well. I guess this is
for the really high and really low notes! 7 ( or more) course ouds with the traditional bowl design has been one way of getting better accesss to the
higher register, depending on you tuning of course.
Long Rast -Yorgo
Nazih Ghadban - 11-25-2007 at 07:51 AM
Salamat to you all my friends,and many thanks for your sharing,your opinions always push me to do the best.
I post a longa Rast (Yorgo)with the dissymetrical oud #794
best wishes
Nazih
Easy to catch the high pitches
Nazih Ghadban - 11-25-2007 at 07:54 AM
Oud Freak - 11-25-2007 at 12:52 PM
Dear Mr. Ghadban,
Of course my criticism is intended to be constructive. I really love oud so much, that's why I am demanding.
Best Regardschaldo - 11-25-2007 at 01:35 PM
Hello Ustaz Nazih, great job, beautiful oud, nice finish and great sound.
Here is the oud made by Abd el Salam Safar in 1981 for three of the greatest Arabic singers/composers of the 21st century, Abdel Wahab, Wadi3 el Safi
and Farid el Atrache...
Dear Nazih- the Longa Rast sounds very good on this oud, and it would be difficult to tell if it was played on a traditional shaped oud or on a
dissymetrical oud. There is plenty of tone and richness. May I inquire, since making this first dissymetrical oud 11 years ago, have you noticed any
areas you might want to make any further structural changes or improvemnets to now? Would you know of anyone currently playing this type of oud ?
Thanks!Mike - 11-25-2007 at 07:11 PM
Don't mean to hijack Usta Nazih's thread. But Chaldo, I just wanted to say that Farid el-Atrache passed away in 1974.chaldo - 11-26-2007 at 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by Mike
Don't mean to hijack Usta Nazih's thread. But Chaldo, I just wanted to say that Farid el-Atrache passed away in 1974.
lool, that's true but maybe it was made and left beside his grave couple of years after he passed away naaah jst kidding
No, well actually the one I own was not made to be owned by Farid el Atrache, but by Wadi3 el Safi as it is mentioned in the other thread (link is
above)... I guess the one made for Farido was given to him during the days he was still alive, thus made years before.
Anyways, I'll try deepen my research on that specific subject.
It's well noticed Mike, after reading the post above, one could definitely be mislead by my unclearness.jdowning - 11-26-2007 at 01:50 PM
Nice work! Of course, ALAMI's design differs in being created mathematically from the Fibonacci spiral. Whether or not this makes a difference remains
to be seen.
The instruments do demonstrate, however, the feasibility of being able to construct a bowl of this particular geometry.
Does the cut away really facilitate playing in the higher positions? It seems me that despite the cut away body, the thumb still needs to rest at the
neck joint when playing in the higher positions on the soundboard - as it would if there was no cut away (which does not seem to have been a problem
for centuries of oud (or lute) players).
The traditional solution to enable playing in higher registers is to increase the length of the neck as was done in the past with the lute and more
recently, the modern acoustic guitar ( but I seem to recall seeing some ouds being made this way).
However, I am all for experimentation and pushing conventional boundaries - just to see what happens - so bravo!Oud Freak - 11-27-2007 at 08:16 AM
jdowning, what you say is absolutely true. La ghoubar, really. (y) In fact the cutaway doesnt really facilitate the problem, u r right. Regards
It will be interesting to hear the
difference in sound between this and Alami's golden mean design, though obviously this one has had time to mature.
naaah jst kidding