michoud - 2-5-2008 at 03:36 PM
Can anybody post a photo of Hamza el Din´s Abdo Nahat oud???
Jameel - 2-5-2008 at 03:40 PM
http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=1092#pid723...
DaveH - 2-6-2008 at 02:46 AM
Hey all
I'd posted a question about the spectactular shams on this oud on another thread. Noone was biting but it really interests me so I'm going to have
another go and I'd really appreciate anyone's ideas on this, however tentative. I'll try and word my question better this time too.
I was wondering if you thought there was any logic to the way the maqamat are organised on the shams - that there are 48 maqamat listed (though some
seem to be slight variations on major maqamat, such as ajam at no 30 and what looks like yom (day???- something to do with time of day as with nouba
system??) ajam at no 29 and warar (???) ajam at no 6, or Hijaz at 22 and suk (sika??) hijaz at 23.
Also, these 48 appear to be divided into 14 sub-groups, 8 of 3 maqamat and 6 of 4. These subgroups also seem to form part of four major groups.
Is there any rhyme or reason to this or is it just done for the sake of design? There doesn't seem to be any reason for the four groups in terms of
the root note of the maqam or the first jins. These groupings also don't seem to contain the same maqamat as the shams on the 1905 Nahat in
veyselmaster's thread http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=7214.
So does this all mean anything or have I just been reading the da Vinci code too much? Any ideas at all would be welcome. This is really bugging me.
Thanks
David
DaveH - 2-6-2008 at 02:48 AM
...and this is all based on my very poor arabic reading skills. Forgive me and don't laugh too hard.
JT - 2-6-2008 at 05:03 AM
Hello Dave,
As far as I know, I saw this maqam organisation and design (circular) by a book by the Egyptian music theorist named Kostandi Rezk when I was writing
a thesis on oud. I would assume that Abdo Nahat based the rossette on this design.
Cheers,
JT
jdowning - 2-6-2008 at 05:28 AM
DaveH - have you checked out Hosam's "Abdo Nahat Project" in Oud Project Forum which includes comment about the rosette?
Hosam translates the calligraphy and gives some information about the rosette design.
zalzal - 2-6-2008 at 01:41 PM
http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=3896&pa...
DaveH - 2-7-2008 at 05:32 AM
Many thanks John and Zalzal. So I was confusing maqamat with notes. 2 octaves, 48 notes, That hadn't occurred to me before. Fascinating. Joseph, when
I get some time I'll try and find out more about the work of Kostandi Rezk. Thanks a lot.
Dave