charlie oud - 2-10-2008 at 09:59 AM
Dear all, I would really appreciate some help with the following. There are some modes listed for pieces recorded on Said Chraibi,s fine recording "La
clef de Granada". I wonder if anyone can provide the scale notes to these maqamet?. 1."rama el maya" mode. My work on this leads me to think this is a
natura d minor scale( nahawand on d) but would like to be sure. 2. "hijaz kabir" sounds like usual hijaz on d. 3. "Ushaq mode." 4."Tarz nawin mode."
5."Choukfaza mode". Also does anyone have contact details for the Casablanca based oud maker Khalid Belhaiba?. My thanks in anticipation. Regards,
Charlie.
charlie oud - 2-10-2008 at 02:05 PM
Have just found the notes for these except "tarz nawin" & "choukfaza" modes. Charlie
Brian Prunka - 2-10-2008 at 03:19 PM
Shawq Afza
Tarz Nuwin, is Kurd on C + Hijaz on F, according to Scott Marcus' sources.
C Db Eb F Gb A Bb C
it continues into the upper octave as hijaz on c.
charlie oud - 2-12-2008 at 09:05 AM
Cheers Brian
zalzal - 2-12-2008 at 01:32 PM
raml el maya is how araboandalusian music designates a nouba and tab3 (nouba is like a composition composed of several pieces and tub3 is a scale,
like an arabic maqam).
Here below you have the scheme of the tub3 and the 3aqd (3qd is the basic tethracord like the jins in arabic music).
I took this fm http://yafil.free.fr a complete web with lot of theory and infos on araboandalusian music.
I frankly haven't gone through it.
This araboandalusian music is a huge world which i will like to work more.
zalzal - 2-12-2008 at 01:33 PM
and the 3uquds
zalzal - 2-12-2008 at 01:38 PM
On this page there seems to be the tel number of Khaled Belkaiba
http://elhouriazzouz.over-blog.com/
"Le luth de Azzouz El Houri est fait par le Maître Luthier Belhaiba Khalid
00212 12 07 22 28
Casablanca - Maroc"
charlie oud - 2-13-2008 at 09:42 AM
Zalzal, Thankyou so much for your help, It makes things much clearer and will help me as I work through Chraibi,s music. The system you illustrate is
similar to that found in much Spanish composition. Love it when these cultures meet. Charlie.
charlie oud - 2-13-2008 at 02:52 PM
I also think, after much listening, the Raml-Al-Maya from "La clef de Granada" Said Chraibis opening improvisation uses the following mode: D E F G A
B half flat. C D.
samir_nl - 9-17-2008 at 07:03 AM
Hi,
I have been in Casablanca this summer and met Khalid Belhaiba, he is a master luthier and a nice guy. The new OUDs he make are rich in sound and a
beauty. You have to pre-order 6 months or give him a call before he can build one for you. He does it with passion he told me. Sometimes very hard to
get him on the phone.
I have been in his atelier couple of times and he even envited me to a prived music soire with his Friends like Said Chraibi and Azouz and all other
good OUD players in Casablnaca. What a night!
I still contact him and will probably build a website for him in the future. I will also post some pictures of his work very soon if any one is
intersted.
Excuse my engligh.
charlie oud - 9-17-2008 at 08:19 AM
Well done Samir and welcome to the forum I am sure many of us would welcome a website for Khalid, I hope this happens. You will be doing us all a fine
service. I look forward to seeing some pictures of his work. Sounds like a fantastic night you had, congratulations. C
John Erlich - 9-17-2008 at 09:16 AM
Zal,
Thanks for posting the contact information for and photo of Khaled Belhaiba! I still fantasies of reviving my cancelled 2003 trip to Morocco.
Best,
John
Masel - 9-17-2008 at 09:24 AM
I might be wrong but from what I know ram almaya is like dorian mode on d using what you could call an ascending descending seyir because the fifth
acts almost like a tonic. I think it can modulate in short phrases to normal minor on d and to d major.
Here is Sami elMaghribi himself singing a piyut in ram almaya:
http://www.piyut.org.il/tools/player.html?quality=good&per=http...
Hope it helps.
Pictures
samir_nl - 9-18-2008 at 12:48 AM
Hi All,
As promissed here are some pictures of khalid at work in his shop.
picture 1
moer pictures
samir_nl - 9-18-2008 at 12:49 AM
Another one
pictures
samir_nl - 9-18-2008 at 12:50 AM
More pictures of khalid belhaiba
nice oud
samir_nl - 9-18-2008 at 12:51 AM
A nice oud in the build process
Ouds
samir_nl - 9-18-2008 at 12:54 AM
Ouds in construction...
charlie oud - 9-18-2008 at 10:41 PM
Looks like fine work & his reputation certainly deserves a web site. C
charlie oud - 9-19-2008 at 01:23 AM
Also Samir, It maybe good to post these pictures on a new post with a new title as they will be viewed more. If you do, remember to put the word
"pics", "photos" or "pictures" in the title. C