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Other than Oud what do you play?

Tkoind - 6-3-2008 at 12:03 AM

This is a bit off topic but I hope interesting.

I've been learning as much as I can about the lineage of central Asia lutes. There are common traits from the Uyghur Dutar and Tembor to the Persian Tanboor and Setar to the Turkish Saz and Oud and so on. They also share a common trait of claiming to be the most ancient lute makers.

I'm curious what other instruments the Oud players here are playing and experimenting with. What instruments do you play, from where, how did you get one, how did you start playing and how do you study?

I'll start.

We experiment with Silk Road music so we experiment with instruments from there as well.

Persian Setar: purchased from Tehran, started playing just on my own and studying using any media I can find. I hope to study with a proper teacher some day.

Uzbek Tanbur: I have a master level instrument found by some friends in Tashkent. I can't really play it yet. But the sound is unmatched by any other lute I am aware of in somber and unique tone. I have not found any learning materials yet.

Uyghur Tembor/Setar: Massive long 180cm 5 string lute. Learning from video. Got it from a great guy named Elvis in Kashgar.

patheslip - 6-3-2008 at 01:17 AM

I play the fiddle. Started when a lad as my grandfather played. I've got his old fiddle somewhere hidden away.

francis - 6-3-2008 at 01:37 AM

I play the cittern, on a fine instrument built by a maker from Paris. I play irish music and eastern europe tunes on it . When playing bulgarian, macedonian or greek tunes I rather use the cittern like a tamboura or bouzouk.
I also play the pipes, uilleann pipes for irish music and bulgarian gaidas for eastern europe tunes....
.....And I'm learning the oud, a great new pleasure!

dubai244 - 6-3-2008 at 02:55 AM

Hi,

Beside oud, I play Bouzouki and Baglama. I got my first bouzouki back in 1995 as gift from friend was coming from Damascus, syria. And I bought my baglama 3 years ago from a music shop here in Dubai. I am learning both music from Youtube videos and i am really impressed about what these instruments can do !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmb5TEz0E-U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=795JdehFZfM

Thanks

Cooper - 6-3-2008 at 07:04 AM

I mostly play the hammered dulcimer and Arabic tablah. I love my oud, but I am not good at it yet (some would just call me an "oud owner" ;) )

Amer - 6-3-2008 at 07:25 AM

Prior to discovering the beautiful world of the oud, I used to play the Arabic tabla (a.k.a dumbak)..
Started playing during in-between-class breaks drumming on the table with my fingers while classmates dance and add their grooves drumming on their tables too.. :D :applause:
The first tabla I got was a red-snake-leather type from Syria (very common in Syria and Egypt)..
You can get them from eBay or any middle eastern ethnic shops worldwide.. not so hard to find

spyros mesogeia - 6-3-2008 at 10:06 AM

hello my friend...
I play seven strings viola da gamba,cumus,saz,yayli tanbur and greek baglama.
Ofcourse ud,Iraqui oud and electrical ones with 6 and 7 courses,and Greek Hybrid laouto[with seven courses,fretless with metall strings]
Best Regards to all
Spyros

oudplayer - 6-3-2008 at 10:48 AM

Hey guys

well the question is what instruments i own ? the answer is way to many.

What do i play.? well i mostly enjoy playing perccusions. always have since a lil kid.i play
djembe
darbukah/ tabla
riqq
frame drum
congas/ bongos. basicly anything with a skin head that i can hit with your hand lol.

working with a band now on a cd.

thx sammy

oh yeh i play the oud but it will take me a lifetime to really learn how to play it like farid or maybe 5 lifetimes.

carpenter - 6-3-2008 at 10:55 AM

I mostly play fiddle, as Eugene's best second-rate Irish fiddler. Also mandolin, octave mandolin, guitar, hurdy-gurdy/vielle, understrung Scandinavian fiddle, bones, bodhran (Irish single-head drum), and Greek baglamas. Historically, fretless electric bass (move over, Jack Bruce!).

I play by ear. The ouds and 'gurdies I built from scratch, the fiddles I rebuilt from the kindling they were when I got them.
The baglamas I got In Athens 10 yrs. or so ago; others store-bought locally.

I started playing because I liked what I was listening to. I build because I sure couldn't afford to buy all those.

Now, if you'd said, "What do you play well?" I'd trim that list a little. (Okay, a lot ...)

Jassim - 6-3-2008 at 11:04 AM

hi all
i like oud but i play violin and kanon too

Tkoind - 6-3-2008 at 03:47 PM

I'm very happy to see that most people responding have experimented with a lot of instruments. And even more happy to see that most simply started out of a love for the sounds.

May I add one more question to the thread?

Other than the instruments you play now, what is the #1 instrument you would like to try?

Abusaid - 6-3-2008 at 07:16 PM

I usually play tabla (darbuka), and I would like to play nay. I have receive today a Nay set from Mr. Magdy (Michel) Moussa, from UK, he is a very nice person and also a great oud maker.

arsene - 6-4-2008 at 05:55 AM

I am first and foremost a guitarist.

I got into ethnic instruments when I discovered the Romanian cobza (Romanian small version of the oud but strung with bouzouki strings, see http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=2235#pid470... )

so now I play:

guitar(s)
cobza
oud
bouzouki
saz (ozun sap)

I also play egyptian tabla.

I own a kaval but cannot say I really play it well :)

I would really like to get my hands on a lebanese or syrian buzuk...

Cooper - 6-4-2008 at 06:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Tkoind
May I add one more question to the thread?

Other than the instruments you play now, what is the #1 instrument you would like to try?


The qanun! And I just got one, but it damaged in shipping :( The bridge cracked on the bass side and now I am working out the details with the seller. It is a Sukar qanun and it is not bad for the money, but not up to the quality of Sukar's ouds (I think that is more of the price of the qanun than the maker).

Masel - 6-4-2008 at 07:39 AM

I started with guitar first, then oud and recently violin. Still not good on the violin though.. I'd really like to learn qanun at some point but I keep worrying it might be spreading myself too thin, do all multi-instrumentalists get this feeling?

Christian1095 - 6-4-2008 at 09:53 AM

I started playing bass guitar as a teenager. Mostly heavy metal (Slayer, Iron Maiden, Ozzy, Danzig) but also a lot of Reggae (Bob Marley mostly) and then progressive rock in college (Dave Matthews, REM, etc.) with a band.

I had a couple of Arabic classes in college, so that got me into Middle Eastern music.... But there was a ten year lapse where I finished school and started working... Then my wife got into bellydance and from listening to her music I heard the Oud and fell in love with the sound. I've been playing less than a month, but I'm really enjoying it. Thankfully we have this forum because I would be lost without it.

arsene - 6-4-2008 at 02:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Masel
I keep worrying it might be spreading myself too thin, do all multi-instrumentalists get this feeling?


YES!! :(

carpenter - 6-4-2008 at 02:48 PM

<< I keep worrying it might be spreading myself too thin, do all multi-instrumentalists get this feeling? >>

I sure do - some days it's all I can do to even keep everything tuned, what with the humidity changes, let alone stay current on tunes. The crushing, hidden price of True Genius, I guess. Heh.

arsene - 6-4-2008 at 03:46 PM

Some days it feels like having a lot of attention-demanding wives, and you start thinking you would have probably been better off sticking to monogamy, but then you play a couple of them and you realise why you got 'em in the first place... :)


Ok, that probably sounded a little weird.

Tkoind - 6-4-2008 at 03:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Masel
I started with guitar first, then oud and recently violin. Still not good on the violin though.. I'd really like to learn qanun at some point but I keep worrying it might be spreading myself too thin, do all multi-instrumentalists get this feeling?


Absolutely. But I can't help exploring instruments.
Japanese believe that things take on a spirit, part of the maker, a part of the people who may use it and in time this spirit becomes something of its own. I'm not very mystical minded, but I like the thought of that.

Our band is just three people. And our sound is about the Silk Road. We don't want to use samples, and though we are not doing authentic traditional music, we still want the sound and style of the regions we explore. So we have not choice but to try playing what we need given those ideas. Somehow, it is working so far. But we have a lot to learn and are always wishing for more time to study and practice. For now we just do our best and try to enjoy playing and discovering these instruments more than anything.

stringmanca - 6-4-2008 at 04:11 PM

I started on viola in 7-9th grade, but gave it up when I went to high school. I keep thinking I'd like to get back to the viola or violin (I actually have one with a missing string in the closet) but have been putting it off due to the initial awful-sounding period I'd have to go through, as well as the sore neck!

I also started guitar shortly after the viola and have kept that up, although the oud has been getting most of my attention for the past couple of years.

Similar to Chris, when my wife got interested in belly dancing, I got interested in the music and we both eventually took up Arabic percussion. After a couple of years of studying rhythms I switched to oud.

Here's the full list, or as much as I can think of at the moment:
acoustic & electric guitars, electric bass, mandolin, joura (small-bodied bouzouki), oud, balalaika, drumset, arabic percussion, one-handed keyboards

I took a semester of flute in college many years ago, but kept running out of breath. I'd love to play nay, but I suspect I'd have the same problem...

I've also dabbled in electronic music and computer/synth noise-stuff.

My wife has given up dancing and now sings in Arabic and is studying qanun, so I mess around with that a bit, but I can't stand wearing picks on my fingers.

Nathan
http://www.alazifoon.com
http://www.easternstrings.com
:airguitar:

will_oud - 6-6-2008 at 07:33 AM

Hello all. I play anything with strings that's plucked. Some oud, saz, mandolin, bass guitar, upright bass, harps of all types, and steel guitar. The number one is the steel at the moment. I've got a scale based tuning that I will eventually try to integrate in to Middle Eastern music. Amazing things can happen when you take the knee levers and pedals off of that trusty old steel and start messing around with microtones using nothing but picks and bar movement.

William F. Sparks

mourad_X - 6-6-2008 at 02:20 PM

have a look;)

mourad_X - 6-6-2008 at 02:23 PM

i'm so sorry my animatet gif does not work here

so here is a picture...

Jason - 6-6-2008 at 06:06 PM

Guitar and electric bass were the first instruments I picked up. I majored in music on upright bass. I didn't start playing oud until I was in college.

Sasha - 6-7-2008 at 12:23 PM

My friends call my music room 'The Seraglio', and my instruments are referred to as 'Sasha's fat-bottomed concubines'...

Here's a list of the ones that I play on a regular basis:

Strings
Oud
Turkish saz - cura, bozuk, baglama and divan sizes
Azeri koshkarjeh - essentially the same as the Uzbek and Kashgar rawap (skin face, sounds like Persian tar).
Turkmen dutar
Cumbus
Kyrgyz komuz

Bowed strings
Black Sea Kemenche
Egyptian rebab

Winds
Turkish ney
Zurna/mizmar
Armenian duduk
Armenian paku
Macedonian kaval
German mediaval bagpipes
mezuod (Maghrebi bagpipes)
Sipsi
Mijwiz
Argul

Percussion
Davul/tupan/tabl beledi
Persian def (with chains)
Tar
Bendir
Darabukkah
Riqq/mazhar
Ghatam (Indian clay pot srum)
Armenian dhol
Persian tombak
Moroccan qarqaba

There are a bunch of other instruments of various types, but the ones listed above are the ones I play on a regular basis...

DaveH - 6-12-2008 at 04:07 AM

The guitars are both beautiful and it took me a long time to find the "style" of classical guitar that I really liked - gentler sound, lighter action than the really loud, bassy ones that are the norm these days. But they've been criminally neglected of recent years owing to a growing obsession with things round-backed. I like the way the sound is much more subtle and multi-dimensional than the guitar.

I got into the renaissance lute first as I loved the sound and, like the oud, because it was THE instrument at the time, there's a huge amount of really beautiful music for it - not just of the "men in tights" variety. Then I branched out to baroque lute which is a totally different beast. To be honest I've made limited progress on this - all those strings and a quite different right hand technique have seen to that, plus spending a lot of time in countries with very unforgiving climates - 100% humidity and air contitioning is not the environment to take a delicate instrument like a lute - believe me, I found out the hard way. But I still play a few pieces and it sounds fantastic, even with me at the helm - soft, but really deep and strong.

So I've lost my guitar technique (and my nails) because I got into lutes, but with too many roundbacks to concentrate on I've never really mastered any of them (oud included). If there was a royal society for the prevention of cruelty to musical instruments, they'd confiscate my gorgeous guitars and probably force me to concentrate on one of the lutes only. But I couldn't give any of them up because, even with limited skill, they make such lovely noises when I do pick them up. What are you going to do? :shrug:

Once I had a plan to collect a whole bunch of plucked string instruments, but I underestimated the effort in learning an instrument well and it's really sad just to have them on a wall or locked up in a case unused. So i'm pretty much resigned to sticking to these for life now. But if I had to choose a new one I think I'd go for the setar. Or maybe a corsican cetera, which is a kind of cittern with 8 strings. Or a portuguese guitar for some homely fado...

DaveH - 6-12-2008 at 04:15 AM

Sorry I went on a bit there and I think the first bit of my post got cut. I was just saying that, like someone said above, I got into all my instruments because I really liked the sound and the specific music it allowed you to play, and usually because I was attracted by a particular artist or composer:

Classical guitar by Manuel Contreras - Andres Segovia (of course)
Flamenco guitar by Manuel Raimundo - Manuel Morao on siguiriyas and Merenguito on granainas
8 course renaissance lute by Malcom Prior - Francesco Canova da Milano (composer)
13 course baroque lute by Cesar Mateus - Silvius Leopold Weiss (composer)
6 course floating bridge oud by Nazih Ghadban - Munir Bashir.

gregorypause - 6-12-2008 at 06:43 AM

I play guitar most often. I can manage on bass, mandolin and citera (hungarian zither) as well.

What I find most refreshing in playing the oud and guitar is that each instrument has its limitations and the other instrument excels in the same area. I mean the oud is mainly a melodic instrument with no frets, so there is a lot of freedom in playing it, but the scales are limited mostly because of the 'droning' lower strings. The guitar gives you a lot of freedom in playing scales in different keys. I play mostly chords with occasional solos - so not much focus on the melody side.

Convoluted theory, I know. :)

Tkoind - 6-12-2008 at 07:32 PM

Mourad_X, your room has a similar thing going as ours. The trusty iMac and electronics, random percussion and in our case more long neck string instruments than we often have time to play. I'd love to hear what you are creating there!

Sasha, want to join a band in Tokyo? Sounds like you have a strong Silk Road interest too. We have had a hard time finding bowed and wind instrument players here with experience and interest in Silk Road instruments.

Would also love to hear what you are doing.