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Is It Fadil oud???????????????

hama - 9-16-2008 at 01:34 AM

Hi All
I have purchased this oud Recently, sold to me as Fadil Oud, there are mixed opinions about it, some people think it is and some people dont, the label doesn't suggest it is but the built and lay out suggests that it is fadil oud, if you have any Idea or opinion, please share it with me,
hope the attachment comes through this time
Best regards

is it FAdil oud??????the certificate attached

hama - 9-16-2008 at 02:22 AM

is it fadil oud??? another picture

hama - 9-16-2008 at 02:24 AM

sorry for some reason i could only attach one picture at a time

Alioud - 9-16-2008 at 04:20 AM

It looks like it was made in Mohammed Fadel's workshop but I think it was made by one of his sons. Either Omar or Faiq. My guess is that it was made by Faiq.

Mohammed Fadhel was not doing anything at his old age in 2000.

But it does look authentic.

How much did you pay for it?
Can you please record something and attach it here. I would love to hear it.

Alioud - 9-16-2008 at 04:22 AM

The absence of a serial number is suspicious though.

It could be an excellent replica but I still think It is authentic.

hama - 9-16-2008 at 05:18 AM

Thanks Alioud,
I paid around $900 for it inclusing a hard case , changed the strings a week a go, i am getting a buzzing sound at teh moment , i am hoping that it is because the strings are new and will settle in time, otherwise i have to show it to a specialist to look in to it,
as for recording , i am quiet a bigginer and hopefully will do something in the near future,
thanks for your help again

paulO - 9-16-2008 at 09:44 AM

Hi Hama,

Fadel or not, it's a lovely looking oud. It may take a couple of weeks for the strings to really settle in, but I don't have any experince with floating bridge ouds. Just checking the photos again, it looks well made; the bowl design is lovely.

Regards..Paul

oud_man - 9-16-2008 at 12:56 PM

Hi Hama
It is really hard to tell from the pictures, but it looks like Fadel's work and with the price that you paid I think you got your self a bargin!!!! If you ever decide to sell it plzzz let me Know

KR

oud_man

hama - 9-17-2008 at 12:34 AM

Hi oud_man,
Thanks for that, i agree with you and i think i was lucky there, i met a gyu who came from Bagdad and he told me that he brought it with him to sell , I think that is why it looks like a bargain,i really like itas i am a bigginer and want to learn to play oud, and I dont think i will let it go for now , but thanks for your interest
Regards

Hama

hama - 9-17-2008 at 12:42 AM

thanks PaulO

Nael - 9-17-2008 at 11:39 AM

This is not original Oud This is not making By Mohammad Fadhel

hama - 9-17-2008 at 01:55 PM

hi Nael
any reason for sugesting that the oud is not original?

Nael - 9-17-2008 at 03:56 PM

Dear Hamada

Mohammed Fadel used only rose wood in this type of oud moving bridge and from the label you can know that this oud is done by Faiq he alwayes cheeting people and you didnt trust him. I have a lot of Fadil orginal oud one of them made in 1958 moving bridge and also 2 normal oud one of them was owned by famous oud player Ali Hassan for any inquries please contact me


salam

shareen - 9-17-2008 at 07:04 PM

Gee, isn't there always SOMEONE out there who is willing to burst a bubble? Hey, if you love the oud and it plays well, who CARES who made it. Isn't it all about the music in the end? ;)

nadir - 9-22-2008 at 07:48 AM

It's good to see such spirit, but as you know, there are people that have undoubtedly been tricked or conned in this forum. Hama is rightfully upset should they have spent money worth a Fadel oud for an imitation.

It's like spending money on a BMW when it is some other company's car and the point of driving is just to get from place to place.

But please do not be offended in any way about my reply, and this applies to everyone, but it definitely seems to be the case that we are rightfully suspicious and frustrated for a reason!

TAFTAF - 9-27-2008 at 02:34 PM

hi guys be carful we still here. first how many time do we have to say that faik , or Faeq or as mentioned here Faiq. is the oldest and still working in Iraq. and he was the one working on his father workshop since he was 10. and now he had had submitted a full numbers of fadhels ouds to the ministry of Arts and culture in Iraq. and you can get a cirtificate on the authenticity of this oud. www.faikfadhel.com

this is Omer Oud it is clear it was signed by Omer. but still you have to ask Omer if it is his but this is Omer signature cant you see. :applause: and fadhel was working till the last day of his life and he died stronger than me. :D

hama - 9-28-2008 at 01:21 AM

Hi TAFTAF
thanks for the clarification,
I still have the oud and kind of happy with it as i am a beginner,it has some buzzing sound of the qarar strings , may be it is down to changing the strings 2 weeks a go ( i hope it is any way)i think the bridgr and neck need some work or perhaps replacing ,I wil show it to some body in london in teh nextwek or 2,
as long as the oud is build by one of fadil sons or a family member, i wil be happy, as a matter of principle ,i wil be upset if some body sold me and oud as a fadil oud and urns out to be some thing else.
Best regards

hama

Marina - 9-28-2008 at 04:03 AM

Hama!
For this buzzin sound, try to put a little, tiny peace of paper under the nut, so the action of the strings will be a little bit higher. So the strings will not buzz. It works sometimes....

TAFTAF - 9-28-2008 at 04:40 AM

you are 100% right . good day hama:wavey:

hamed - 9-28-2008 at 05:19 AM

Dear Taftaf, do you own any ouds by Faik Mohammad Fadhel, I've always wanted to hear his ouds. Is it possible to order ouds from him from the contact info on the website faikfadhel.com Also maybe you can post some pictures of Faik's ouds, the website only has pictures of one oud.
Thank you

TAFTAF - 9-28-2008 at 05:24 AM

yes it is easy just contact my older brother in baghdad mohemmed
"MOHAMMED ALAWAD" <mohammedf66@gmail.com>, <mohammed@faikfadhel.com>,

he will play for you. :D

hamed - 9-28-2008 at 05:29 AM

thanks Taftaf, but do you think there will be a problem with shipping to the USA"
Hamed

faik faeq faiq faiq fadel fadhel ouds sound test

TAFTAF - 9-28-2008 at 09:17 AM

oud saheeeb faik sound test

http://www.faikfadhel.com

hama - 11-28-2008 at 03:47 AM

Hi All

This is a Takseem recorded on My oud ( picture atached) by a friend , not a great sound quality and doesn't do the Oud Much Justice,
the reason for the poor sound quality is , the Takseem was Recorded on a normal Camcorder without any special Mic or any extra accessories, then the audio extracted from the Video, the size of the audio file was almost 3 MB , so we have to compress to 1MB to be able to attach it here , hope you enjoy it and forgive the poor sound quality .
BR
Hama

akram - 12-8-2008 at 11:28 AM

you could ask yaroub fadel

hama - 12-10-2008 at 07:56 AM

Akram, I was just posting a sound file this time and not asking about teh oud itself , i t has been confirmed that the oud was made by one of Mohamed Fadil sons ( Omer) and it is not fake

Sam - 4-7-2009 at 05:09 PM

i dont know bro .. i guess thats not muhammed fadhel's job

i saw old ouds of him here and some for sale

Reda Aouad - 4-8-2009 at 12:46 PM

Hama.. don't worry about the quality of the recording.. it is good enough and shows clearly the sound of your oud.. which is nice :) but yes the buzz on the bass strings is a bit annoying.. hope it gets better..

Mabrouk :)

ammar22 - 4-9-2009 at 03:33 AM

hi to all i have bought this oud from mr hama he was asuch nice person to deal with .ya thanks mr hama the oud is gourges and the sound of it its more than nice .i dont care u pepoel what ever u say if its fake or not im more than happy and its mine now and its pure iraqi oud
thanks to all

rojaros - 4-9-2009 at 01:17 PM

Hi there,
whoever made this oud - it sounds like you could go quite far with it with no regret, if playing is the issue. Very nice sound!

best wishes

Robert

hama - 4-10-2009 at 03:39 AM

Hi Amer
I am glad you like the oud and enjoying it like i did, it was very nice to meet you too and i am happy that the oud is in safe hands and is with some body who appreciates the oud.
it was confirmed by amember of fadil famil as well as by yaroub mohamed fadil that the oud is made by one of mohamed fadil sons( i have the email to prove that)
when i bought the oud , i didnt buy it to sell and make money and i can assure you that i didnt make any,
the only reason i sold it is to finance purchase of a new oud by Faruk Turunz,which I have ordered one last week and photos will be shown here as soon as i have received the oud,
also i am glad thT amer liked the oud , he had a chance to see the oud and try it,, i have insisted that he sholud come down to london and see the oud and try it for himself and test the oud ,to think about it before making a decision and that is what happened , he is a happy man now ,he called me next day to thank me and tell me how happy he was.

one thing i have noticed here is ( some people) will go through the pages and search for certain threads about ouds and lable them as fake without any reason or prove, and surprise surprise suddenly they come up with an original one themselves and offer it for sale, or suddenly they know a friend who can offer original ones and they put their email address on display here, if you want to sell your oud sell it but dont label other peoples oud as fake, what makes your oud more original than another? what prove do you have? stamps and lables dont always prove alot , if the lable on my oud could be fake then that can apply to yours.

i hope this subject is closed now , and some people will think twice before accusing others.

ammar22 - 4-10-2009 at 03:58 AM

hi hama
i would like to thank you and it was more than nice to meet you hama and its nice to hear thats your new oud of faruk turunz soon will be in your hands and im waiting to see the pictures and sound file here in this forume .......
ya dont worry hama about what pepoel says about the oud igot the oud and im more than happy hope to see u again hama
thank u

TAFTAF - 6-17-2009 at 02:09 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Nael  
Dear Hamada

Mohammed Fadel used only rose wood in this type of oud moving bridge and from the label you can know that this oud is done by Faiq he alwayes cheeting people and you didnt trust him. I have a lot of Fadil orginal oud one of them made in 1958 moving bridge and also 2 normal oud one of them was owned by famous oud player Ali Hassan for any inquries please contact me

that is not a nice thing to say on My Father. Mr. Faik Mohammed Fadhel was always a help and frank and all who meet him says so. but thank you I have no comments.
Mustafa Faik Mohammed Fadhel.
Duabi.
salam

A_ash - 9-3-2009 at 12:48 AM

so Many reasons the Aoud is not original.

the label is not ture, Mohamed Fadel would never sign his Aouds with any anybody else.

the keys are not the origianl since it has a special shape only familiers with Fadel Auods can notice the difference so IT IS NOT ORIGinAL

fernandraynaud - 9-3-2009 at 03:27 AM

Not to reopen a sore, but I'd like to please understand. The label in the oud seems like it was printed on an inexpensive printer, and cut out from the paper with scissors. The photo itself shows no dithering (dots) but the label certainly does. The signatures seem done in ballpoint, but no idea if they match anything. Just for future reference, is it normal for a certificate label to look like this?

The oud sounds nice, but does not have the same timbre as the one from the .ppt file. The question oud came with the bottom strings off, and they sound like maybe the nut is notched a little too tight so these strings vibrate against each other? Or are the strings just too low ? anyway this hurts the bass. Easy to fix but is that a pride of Fadil oud?

It's really hard to tell with the JPG compression so severe, but the ouds shown on the web site seem to have a very refined finish, noticeable on the soundboard and bridge in particular. The question oud has a bit of that "utility oud" to it, nothing wrong with it, just not quite as polished. The peg heads also look different.

I'm here to learn. I would be happy to have this oud. So my questions are in the line of wanting to understand for the future, for my own purposes, not trying to be a smart-ass or offend anyone, I certainly don't claim to know anything about Fadil ouds. Can someone clarify on those points? Thanks