dubai244 - 12-14-2008 at 06:40 PM
I am really impressed !!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IXvDNg9YYY&feature=related
Thanks
francis - 12-15-2008 at 05:41 AM
To my opinion , it's mainly the same result than with "occidental" or "celtic" instruments.
This tune is a wannabee to bring a celtic coloured sound , but it has not an own mood....it looks like an old tune and the studio arrangements gives
it a big sound that everyone can listen.
A few years ago, a lot of people asked for this tune when we were playing sessions, gigs or concerts......It was terrible for us: we wanted to make
people happy but were tired with this "empty tune", so we arranged a mix around the theme.......and everyone was right.
I can understand that the feeling about this is not the same from Dubai or other places far from celtic tunes....I'm speaking from my musical culture,
of course.
Some celtic tunes sound really fine on the oud....when I am able to play correctly one I post a sounfile.
dubai244 - 12-15-2008 at 08:50 PM
Hi Francis,
I totally agree with you. These instrument are not made to play this kind of music. In fact, the reason why i post this link because i was really
surprise to hear such song from such instrument.
But the other reason that i post this link, because some people, specially new generation, they say that arabic traditional instrument are very
limited in the since that can not meet international standard or can not be played in a concert and it becomes old fasion. These kind of experiments
approves the opposite. These kind of experiments doesn't add any thing to arabic music or to the arabic players, but it shows how far that the
instrument can go ....!!
Munir Bashir was asked about the new music generation and he said " I can not talk arabic with english letters". The second question was "then why
some of your music piece sounds western?" and he said " this is a personal offered to prove that oud can say any thing we like provided you have the
right tool, right teacher and right book then you will reach the "Perfection" level where you can play any thing with the oud without any
limitation....."
David, i am sorry but i dont agree with you. With the example you mentioned above, Its lost the identi of being indian traditional and it becomes
un-identified music, sound great but has no value !!!
A question was raised a while ago,"what is the traditional musics of USA?", could you please answer this question.
Thanks
Christian1095 - 12-16-2008 at 09:55 AM
Interesting.... I think it would sound better if they dropped the bass and the background synth... But for the most part, I think that about just
about any piece... I have a hard time hearing the musical expression when you push a button on your synth to get the sound... So yes, I agree that
the piece above has very little soul... But I don't think its fair to blame that on the instruments...
Doubai, I disagree that the instruments were not made to play that kind of music... I don't think my Oud cares what I play on it... and I think that
as long as you are playing with your heart you can make good music on just about anything and add to it...
Here's a nice little reel played on the Oud.... which in my opinion sounds great....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIQIOaE3y_Y&feature=related
Followed by:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5ZsuAN1iCY&feature=related
Also, I think we should ask "what is traditional?" Is it just accoustic music? Is it the arragement? Is it traditional if I can record it and not
have to pay royalties? In the first link above, I agree that the Titanic music really dosen't add anything to the music or the players - but that's
cause I think the arragement sucks... If I understand Francis correctly it sucks because the song is pretty much ripping of Celtic sounding phrases
to make something that is produced for the movie audience... Becuase of that, it has not soul...
But in the Kantara-Riadh Fehri link I've posted above, I think thier music adds to both genres... but 'value' can only really be judged by the person
hearing it... But a lot of this may be my own bias... I really love the sounds of Arabic music played in an accoustic folk/blues kind of way... As
an example, I really don't care for most Arabic music played by an orchestra... to me it sounds fake because when you have a dozen violins, their just
isn't much room to hear the individual. Also, I don't really care for the kanoon in most arabic orchestras.... to me it sounds like a low-tech
systhasizer. So when I heard
But, take that same song and play it accustically and then I think you really have something...
For example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzGNcYnVUIE
But this does nothing for me...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82Tf9D18a5k&feature=related
Doubai, to answer you question about "what is the traditional music of the USA" -- I think you have to realize that the US is a giant melting pot....
everybody who came here brought something to add to our musical heritage. But the short answer is -- Bluegrass, Rock'n Roll, Country and Western,
the Blues, Swing, Folk (ie, Bob Dylan, Peter Paul and Mary, etc...)
Brian Prunka - 12-24-2008 at 05:50 PM
don't forget jazz . . .
patheslip - 12-25-2008 at 05:27 AM
Some music from Ireland sounds fine on the oud. I like playing some of Carolan's compositions; they were originally played on the harp but work on
many different instruments.
You can't limit a splendid instrument like the oud to the cultures that originated it. Think of the guitar
, the piano
or the violin
.