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Samai Bayati (Marcel Khalife)

Reda Aouad - 8-9-2009 at 01:16 AM

Hi All.

This is my shot at Samai Bayati by Marcel Khalife:

http://www.4shared.com/file/122862082/f9e9f665/Sama3i_Bayati_Marcel...


Thanks for listening !

MatthewW - 8-9-2009 at 04:41 AM

well done Reda! This lovely samai is a real challenge, especially the faster passages. I admire your clean risha technique on these faster sections ( listed as section 'B' on my score), what's your secret bud? regards, MW

Reda Aouad - 8-9-2009 at 05:12 AM

Thank you Matthew :D

Really.. it has been a very hard challenge.. and took me serious, extensive practice for over a month. I thouroughly analyzed every single musical phrase, and for some phrases I had to repeat them on slow playback for infinite times until I fully understood them. Then I'd start playing the phrase slowly, and gradually increase the speed until satisfied with the result, with endless repeatings. I have the score, which was easy to read, but it has only been the guideline; what I really worked on was all the very small details that make a big difference. That's the secret :cool:

And about the score you have.. it seems a version other than mine, since mine is not annotated. And the B passage you have should be the "Taslim" (This is what it's called in Arabic), the other passages being "Khanas". Can you please share the music sheet you have?

fadel - 8-9-2009 at 06:05 AM

hi

really is nice samai

i hav music sheet fo Marcel - i donet play I will

thank

MatthewW - 8-9-2009 at 06:54 AM

Hi Reda, yes it's the "taslim"! My version has the taslim as 'B'. My scanner is not working and as soon as it is up and running I'll post my version of this samai. I think I came across it via this forum, perhaps someone else has the same sheet music?
regards, MW

katakofka - 8-9-2009 at 08:21 AM

Bravo Reda and great progress

Abusaid - 8-9-2009 at 12:26 PM

Hi Reda,

It's a beautifull and difficult samai, well done. Your technique it's amazing.

Who is the maker of your oud? The sound is really nice.

Best regards,

Eduardo

Reda Aouad - 8-9-2009 at 08:12 PM

Thank you Katakofka and Eduardo :)
Looking forward to listen to your versions!

My oud's maker is Georges Bitar, from Lebanon.

FastForward - 8-9-2009 at 10:13 PM

That sounded really good, seemed perfect for me, I am guessing I am in to mood for bayati.

Very nice playing.

Ararat66 - 8-9-2009 at 10:40 PM

Hi Reda

Really good, I enjoyed this a lot, great tone throughout and very nice risha technique particularly in tremelos. What have you learnt most from doing this? just curoius as these things are always a bit of a journey.

Leon:)

Reda Aouad - 8-9-2009 at 11:31 PM

Thank you guys. It's really a pleasure to hear that you enjoyed it :)

Leon.. you gave the best description: A JOURNEY. I really learnt a lot from this Samai, except for the tremolo technique which I already acquired previously. It has been of immense benefit regarding all types of techniques you may hear in the passages, especially for the fast ornamentation notes, and particularly in the taslim part, which was the hardest. At first, it was very frustrating not being able to play the taslim well. But with time and a lot of practice, my left hand got faster and more agile.

francis - 8-10-2009 at 06:46 AM

Bravo, Reda:applause:

It is a really complex piece which must be very hard ( an long of course ) to make sound well.....and your version is amazing.
May be Matthew's score is from Marcel's book ( called oud ).
I have it and when following your playing with the score, I see the A, B, C.......parts in place of Khana, teslim........
In the fast phrases of the teslim, you return in low notes at each end. Is it a choice, a variation from another version......I don't remember Marcel's Khalifé's playing of this samai and these endings of phrases are not written on the book's score....but I like a lot this way of playing.
I don't know if it would be nice and helpfull if I tried to begin to work on this samai. Would it be a strong tool to progress or may be I have to improve my playing before.
I will try to "work" slowly on the teslim, so it could be an element of answer!!!!

Merci encore pour cet enregistrement, Reda, bien belle contribution une nouvelle fois!

Francis

katakofka - 8-10-2009 at 07:34 AM

we run previously through this samai in the forum
http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=7290#pid461...

francis - 8-10-2009 at 10:41 AM

Katakofka,

Thanks for the information about the other thread.
Sure that fast playing is less difficult for access by this way, and may be I don't need Amazingslowdowner!

francis - 8-10-2009 at 02:50 PM

I just try to learn the teslim this night......A chance for me, it runs like an irish tune ( reel ) , with notes in a similar order and at the same speed ........It will be really more long and difficult with the khanas, because of risha's work which is not clean but I work it each day.
I find little changes from the playing of Marcel Khalifé in Caress album and the book score, but with the helps of Reda's and Souheil's playings, each note will find his place.
A few years of practise and I send you my version!!!!!
Thanks again, guys!

Francis

PS: I'm working in the same time on Caress.......results come faster!!!

mrkmni - 8-10-2009 at 05:48 PM

Hi Reda,
really nice playing...you became a professional already..:)
But The truth is I didnt like this samaii although I do like all the music of Marcel Khalifa...
I think he has another samaii too..
Regards,

Reda Aouad - 8-10-2009 at 11:06 PM

Merci beaucoup Francis :)
Thank you mrkmni :)

This Samai was a great tool for developing and improving technique. Francis.. don't wait until your technique becomes better because this Samai will make it twice better if you keep on practicing it. I could barely play the plain notes the first time I tackled it, but with time, and after endless frustrating attempts, I just found how fast it was improving my speed and technique. Just give it plenty of time and you will be very much satisfied.

Please keep on practicing and let us hear your version soon!! I would say it's a MUST-LEARN Samai!

PS: It's fabulous how Marcel composed it when he was 24. If I didn't have the score, I wouldn't have guessed that the teslim is written in 10/8. The teslim is simply amazing with the most unusual 10/8 rhythm I've heard.

francis - 8-11-2009 at 03:58 AM

Reda.
I'll go on with the bayati samai............but I'm not sure to post my version soon.
Mastering good tools needs a long time!
Yes, the teslim is a very unusual 10/8, totally surprising when it comes after the first khana.