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David.B
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Hi Igor,
You can buy a good (but not the best) oud for less than 600 €
Many of us use Sukar's oud :
http://www.oudsukar.com/en/products_oud_en.php
Mod.1 sounds good :
http://www.youtube.com/user/davidlazzi#p/a/f/2/X6DAUYlPZtM
Tony uses a good microphone and you can judge by yourself.
I bought mine in a shop (Paris) but many in this forum buy them on the internet, you can ask them...
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Aymara
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Hi David!
I myself decided against the Sukar oud, because it would be too expensive for my taste.
The problem is, in Germany we would have to buy it over the internet from the middle east or the USA.
If I buy it for example from Palmyrami, I would pay 500$ for the oud, plus 150$ (or even more?) shipping, plus 22.5% taxes on 650$ ... yes,
unbelievable, but we have to pay taxes an both, price plus shipping 
So I would have to pay 796.25$ ~ 550€ ... a bit too much for a Model 1 for my taste.
An alternative would be a Model 14 for 700$ => 700 + 150 + 22.5% = 1041.25$ ~ 719€
But a real advantage of the Sukar oud's is the adjustable neck ... and the real arabic sound.
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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David.B
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Yes Chris, I've just check out the prices !
I bought my Mod.1 ~ 385 € (2500 F) in 2001. Now Khaled sells them 550 €, he adjusted the price you calculated to his ouds :
http://www.chamusic.com/cordes.html
2 years ago I bought a Mod. 8, 800 €, now it costs something like 1180 € (if I remember well, I've been to his shop a few weeks ago) ! I wanted to
tell you to come to Paris to buy one but it's not interesting anymore...
With 550 € for a Mod.1 we are just at a border where it could be more judicious to save money for something better. Also the adjustable neck is not
so appreciate around me : to some purists a oud must not have metal in its construction. Might be a question of vibration, I don't really know about
this. BTW it's appreciable to adjust it and it sounds deep and arabic, that's right 
I tried some jazzy stuffs on my Mod.8 but it doesn't exploit the potential of this oud to my sens :
http://www.facebook.com/DavidBrocard21?ref=profile#/video/video.php...
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Danielo
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Hi Igor,
you can enjoy a week-end in Paris beautifully covered with snow and come back home with this:
http://instrument-musique.vivastreet.fr/vente-instruments-musique+p...
I don't know exactly which Sukar model it is but the price is good
Dan
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fernandraynaud
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That 200 Euro Sukar looks good. Also Palmyrami will sell a Model 1 for a lot less than $500.
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Aymara
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It impossible to show the sound characteristics of an oud by video or even MP3 ... data compression is too high. That's why I prefer Ogg Vorbis or
lossless compression like FLAC.
Nice music though 
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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David.B
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Quote: Originally posted by Aymara  | | It impossible to show the sound characteristics of an oud by video or even MP3 ... data compression is too high. That's why I prefer Ogg Vorbis or
lossless compression like FLAC. |
Thanks for the tip about FLAC, I didn't know this codec. And thanks for the comment about the music !
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Itman
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Shalom,
thank you for your offers and help. I cant imagine what would happend, If i would not know this forum.
Now i decided for sabbassis offer. He will built an oud for me, he is a very very good oud maker.
| Quote: Originally posted by Aymara |
It impossible to show the sound characteristics of an oud by video or even MP3 ... data compression is too high. That's why I prefer Ogg Vorbis or
lossless compression like FLAC. |
What about Monkeys Audio - APE ? It is one of my favourite.
Greetings
Igor
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David.B
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Thanks Igor, got it now for further recordings !
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Aymara
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Hi again!
| Quote: Originally posted by Itman |
Now i decided for sabbassis offer. He will built an oud for me, he is a very very good oud maker. |
I tested two of his ouds and bought one of them. Both ouds were very different regarding sound characteristic, but both sounded fantastic, though they
were finished only two weeks before I tested them. So I bet you won't regret your decision.
A further big advantage is, that you can take care about the transport yourself to avoid huge temperature changes in the ice cold winter.
| Quote: | | What about Monkeys Audio - APE ? |
I didn't test it myself, but it is a lossless codec like FLAC, so who cares ... you don't loose the original.
My tip is to compare different codecs with a very good headphone and also visually with the help of Audacity, which enables you to do frequency analysis (frequency spectrum and EAC). Analyse MP3s and you'll notice, that even at highest birate all
overtones above 16 kHz are lost.
Most people will say now, that this doesn't matter, because adults can't hear such high frequencies any more, but this is wrong regarding newest
research and my own experience. Even people over 60 can hear 20 kHz, if it's not a single sinus wave. Single test tones won't be recognized, but if it
are overtones which sound together with deeper frequencies even old people are able to hear them ... or let's say, they are able to regognize them, if
they have a trained sense of hearing ... but that's the same with young people ... without this sense most people can't distinguish between violin and
cello 
How else could an old music expert distinguish between a Stradivari and a common concert violin, if he/she wouldn't be able to hear overtones? 
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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David.B
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100% agree. Even what the ear cannot hear is music...
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Itman
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The loseless format is usefull for audiophil people and for those, who have this Headphones
http://www.testberichte.de/test/produkt_tests_sennheiser_hd_650_p27...
like me 
Greetings
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Itman
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Sabbassi wrote me:
I will aim ofcourse for the deep arabic sound, very good bass.
to inform you The real arabic sound will come from the ud only it you play for a while on it. the first months are aclimitizing months.
I will put a avery old soudboad from german spruce and in combination with walnut, will produce one of the best sounds there is i hope.
Greetings
Igor
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Aymara
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The Sennheiser is nice, but it has no chance against the Beyerdynamic DT-880 or DT-990 ... I have the later ... test them, if you find them in a shop.
You'll be astonished!
PS: I also was a Sennheiser fan, before I tested Beyerdynamic
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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Aymara
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| Quote: Originally posted by Itman |
I will put a a very old soundboad from german spruce and in combination with walnut, will produce one of the best sounds there is i hope.
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I also have such a spruce soundboard ... good choice ... but I still prefer a rosewood bowl over walnut, which gives a warmer bass tone ... it's
smoother ... but a bit more expensive I think.
But it's your choice.
PS: Ask him, if he still has this fantastic Macassar ebony for the fingerboard ... it feels and looks great.
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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