spyblaster
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Important news about Sukar electrics
hi guys
i dont know how up 2 date i am, but it seems to be really important. Mr. Sukar has started to make a new generation of electrics. the more important
part is that he said he's gonna stop making the previous bowl-free electric ouds. so if u love those ouds n planned to buy one, do it soon. coz
they're gonna become unavailable soon.
the new ones have a flat bowl. exactly like spanish Lauds. the bowl, neck n pegs are made of fiber glass. because of the bowl, it can be played
without an amp, its disadvantage is that silent practice cannot be done anymore. it has a great sound volume.
i bought mine for $813. cheaper models may become available. i just love this monster!!!
regards
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fernandraynaud
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Looks great, I've always disliked the "toilet bowl" ouds. Looks like Sukar is getting in high gear all around.
It seems like the front is traditional Sukar. So the back of the oud is primarily fiberglass-like, like an Ovation guitar?
http://www.ovationguitars.com/?fa=choosing
I remember when Ovation introduced the "fiberglass bowl guitar" back, in the late 1960s, there was a lot of resistance, but they sounded so clear,
loud and bright that they were soon accepted, by MOST people. These guitars with an oud-like bowl have worked surprisingly well unamplified,
or on stage with active electronics. Ouddly odd-like?
Can you explain how the Sukar's pegs and pegbox are made? Is there a chance you could show more close-ups?
How does it sound acoustically? Is it pleasing that way? Can you put up a sound file?
How does the pickup sound? Have you tried it in a feedback-prone situation?
What is the model number of this animal?
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spyblaster
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well i dont know what do u mean of "how". its exactly like an acoustic oud's peg box, but made of fiber glass.
i like the sound. it seems like u r plucking a lil close to the bridge. i guess its really great for flamenco. tomorrow ill have my dsl line again,
ill put a video or mp3 then.
dont know what is a feedback- prone situation . can u explain? but while using
high volume level on the pick up n the amp, i tried singing in the bowl. nothin' happened. it didnt get my sound.
i got 2 new sukar ouds yesterday. an acoustic and an electric. both of them have new identify cards which are smaller than those stuck on my previous
ouds. no model number is written.
the important thing which i still dont know is that how strings are tied on the bridge. its neither like a fixed nor like a floating bridge. i will
ask my teacher soon. but is there any guess?
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Ali
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Hi
It'll be great if you put a sound file of your New electric (W/ & Without/ Amp ).
I am very curious to know how these guys sound like.
Thanks
Ali
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Luttgutt
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Never seen these babies before 
(even though I have bought 6 ouds directly from Sukar only during the last one and a half year!!)
I like the looks... and would love to hear.. please
The wood might be dead, but the oud is alive.
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spyblaster
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ok ill update the sound files tomorrow, u have my word!!!
yea these ouds are most recent designs. he hasnt even made the hard case yet n promised me to send me one when its ready(like previous electrics, the
oud is sold with the hard case).
one thing i didnt mention is that the neck is adjustable!!!
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fernandraynaud
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Feedback is when you play an amplified instrument very loud and in front of the speakers. The sound from the speakers shakes the oud and that gets
picked up by the pickup. Then you get a growing howl at the frequency that is most strongly vibrated, often around 200 Hz. It is very hard to avoid
with a normal oud, as Luttgutt said, either you cannot be heard or you are fighting feedback! This is why those frame ouds are so popular. The
Ovation fiberglass bowl guitars were designed with clever electronics and work well on stage.
I would guess the strings run through the saddle and are tied on the back.
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spyblaster
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i tried it. no howl in the clean mode. but there is some howling when i set the overdriven mode n set the both gain n volume level on high level(i
guess that always happen).
here are the sound files:
http://www.4shared.com/file/FHqfg6ID/Acoustic.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/suhi3NZ5/amped.html
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Sazi
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Hey , not bad for an electric, a bit of reverb and eq would do wonders, not too bad acoustic sound either, though the bass is lacking a bit, at least
on those soundfiles, I suppose it's better in the flesh.
It's probably just that it's new and needs to be played a bit to open up but it sounds like the soundboard is either quite thick or very heavily
braced.
nice one, enjoy!
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Luttgutt
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Thanks Spyblaster!
I like the accoustic sound on it!
When it comes to the el. I agree with Sazi.
But you mostly played on one string, so it might be better than what I could hear from it now.
The improtant thing is that it works on stage!!
Let us know, please...
P.s. what is the scale? string length?
Regards
Thanks again
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spyblaster
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ur welcome Luttgutt
electric sound depends on the pick up settings n amp settings. i dont remember the pick up settings, but the amp was set to clean mode n no effects
were used. pls mention these. and the piece i played with electric mode was played on all treble strings(F-C-G).
"The improtant thing is that it works on stage!!
Let us know, please..."
i dont know if its either a scientific problem or english problem, but i really cant understand what u wanna know and ill tell ya the string length as soon as i get the oud back from my
friend(every one fall in love with it  )
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Luttgutt
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Well, simply because I am considering getting one myself!
And the important thing for me is that it is loud enough ON STAGE, with no feedback.
Sitting home playing alone almost never generates feeding, since one never plays that high, you are playing alone, no monitor etc...
I am going to pay Sukar a visit in the summer anyway, so...
Thanks again!
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fernandraynaud
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What we are all wondering is if you play it very loud and in front of the speakers, does it go into uncontrollable howl?
You can test this at home if you have a powerful amp and don't live next door to a police station or an old man with a shotgun. Place the oud right in
front of the speaker, turn up the amp to 10 or 11, and play a bit before the armed forces arrive. If you have an oud with a normal pickup, confirm
that your amp setup drives the normal oud into howl, i.e. that it's loud enough to simulate live playing on stage, then try the new electric. You
should be able to play it much louder without howl.
After you deal with the collateral damage, the lynch mob and your injuries, and return home, replace any windows that have cracked, as they will tend
to fall out during the next windstorm anyway.
THAT is the question.
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Luttgutt
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Quote: Originally posted by fernandraynaud  | What we are all wondering is if you play it very loud and in front of the speakers, does it go into uncontrollable howl?
You can test this at home if you have a powerful amp and don't live next door to a police station or an old man with a shotgun. Place the oud right in
front of the speaker, turn up the amp to 10 or 11, and play a bit before the armed forces arrive. If you have an oud with a normal pickup, confirm
that your amp setup drives the normal oud into howl, i.e. that it's loud enough to simulate live playing on stage, then try the new electric. You
should be able to play it much louder without howl.
After you deal with the collateral damage, the lynch mob and your injuries, and return home, replace any windows that have cracked, as they will tend
to fall out during the next windstorm anyway.
THAT is the question. |
  
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spyblaster
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i told u, no howl ever. he used the best pick up available on my oud. i havent ever took it to the stage, but i took it to our band practice n
everyone said: reduce the damn volume.
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fernandraynaud
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GREAT! Now everybody wants one.
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