ALAMI
Oud Junkie
Posts: 645
Registered: 12-14-2006
Location: Beirut
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
Help Identifying this Oud !
This poor oud belonged to a famous and late Lebanese Singer, her grand daughter. who is a friend and who inherited a great voice, wanted to start
learning oud, and that's how she discovered that the oud kept in her GrandMa closet was broken.
I am trying to help her to see how this poor oud can be repaired with minimum changes to its original state, unfortunately I don't believe that the
face can be restored. What do you think ?
On the other hand I was trying to identify the maker of this oud, it was obvious that a repair label made by a certain Jameel Awad in 1969 was glued
over and completely hiding the original label.
I tried to gently remove the newer label, I was unable to understand the name of the original maker,
It starts with "BDR..." but I don't think it is Bedrossian,
Maybe someone who's first name is BADR, or Badr Kamal ?
I don't think it is Bedrossian because bedrossian is not a first name. The oud looks like an old Syrian oud,
Anyone knows this label?
|
|
|
ALAMI
Oud Junkie
Posts: 645
Registered: 12-14-2006
Location: Beirut
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
Label
|
|
|
jdowning
Oud Junkie
Posts: 3485
Registered: 8-2-2006
Location: Ontario, Canada
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
Nice looking oud ALAMI.
Although the face looks bad it should still be repairable to playing condition as the transverse breaks seem to be 'clean' around the inlaid edges of
the sound holes but are otherwise along the length of the grain. Why not run it past Fadi Matta for his first hand opinion?
Interesting that the edge of the sound board is another example of 'half binding' inlays.
|
|
|
ALAMI
Oud Junkie
Posts: 645
Registered: 12-14-2006
Location: Beirut
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
Well, that would be a great news if the face could survive this level of damage.
here is another picture from the inside.
|
|
|
jdowning
Oud Junkie
Posts: 3485
Registered: 8-2-2006
Location: Ontario, Canada
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
Interesting - there are those "Al Arja" style 'fan bracings' on each side of the bridge again. Perhaps these are not a 'foreign' feature of oud
bracing as first thought after all?
The face looks repairable to me (the other missing parts are still attached to the bowl?). The large diameter decorated shams represent a fundamental
weakness in this sound board design - hence the additional reinforcing bars underneath. Make sure to save as many of the loose little bits and pieces
as possible!
|
|
|
Brian Prunka
Oud Junkie
Posts: 2939
Registered: 1-30-2004
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Member Is Offline
Mood: Stringish
|
|
I'm not an expert, but it looks like the face could be saved. It might be more work than a new face, but if it is for historical, musical, personal
reasons, it would be worthwhile to save it.
|
|
|
Alfaraby
Oud Junkie
Posts: 796
Registered: 9-18-2009
Location: Holy Land
Member Is Offline
Mood: Cool
|
|
Hello there
It seems to me more Egyptian than Syrian !
Even the label says Badr &/or Kamal something, I don't exclude Fathy Amin's fingerprints on the soundboard.
Sentimental yes, but functionally it can not be restored for the damage to the face as figured out from the photo. The fracture is too harsh to be
glued or even bridged underneath, and if someone manages to do so, I doubt if it will stand the stringing & the pressure or sound like an oud .
For me, I would order a new soundboard, but restore all the unharmed parts like rosettes or even inlays & bridges, though the latters don't seem a
great success.
Good luck . You're gonna need it ....
Yours indeed
Alfaraby
|
|
|
jdowning
Oud Junkie
Posts: 3485
Registered: 8-2-2006
Location: Ontario, Canada
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
This is a very interesting oud.
Although the image of the oud showing the broken sound board is not "full face" and subject to optical distortion ('foreshortening'), the attached
geometry seems to be a close match.
The geometrical construction is self explanatory and follows examples currently proposed in the topic "Old Oud Compared to Old Lute Geometry" on this
forum.
Because it is not possible to determine the exact centre of the large sound hole (or the relative sound hole geometry) from the posted images there
would appear to be two possibilities:
1) the sound hole centre C is midway between point N and the front edge of the bridge (as shown in the attached image)
2) the sound hole centre C is midway between the neck joint and front edge of the bridge.
Either way, there would seem to be a match with the geometry of some surviving 16th and 17th C lutes (e.g. Ulm, Hieber, Cleveland Tiorbino).
The origin of this oud, based upon this limited information, is that it may possibly be Syrian or Lebanese rather than Egyptian. My impression is that
Egyptian ouds typically have a more elongated profile - but this has yet to be confirmed.
The bracing geometry may eventually establish or suggest the origin if information on the original label cannot be deciphered.
|
|
|
dinausuare
Oud Addict
Posts: 28
Registered: 11-24-2017
Member Is Offline
|
|
Quote: Originally posted by ALAMI  | This poor oud belonged to a famous and late Lebanese Singer, her grand daughter. who is a friend and who inherited a great voice, wanted to start
learning oud, and that's how she discovered that the oud kept in her GrandMa closet was broken.
I am trying to help her to see how this poor oud can be repaired with minimum changes to its original state, unfortunately I don't believe that the
face can be restored. What do you think ?
On the other hand I was trying to identify the maker of this oud, it was obvious that a repair label made by a certain Jameel Awad in 1969 was glued
over and completely hiding the original label.
I tried to gently remove the newer label, I was unable to understand the name of the original maker,
It starts with "BDR..." but I don't think it is Bedrossian,
Maybe someone who's first name is BADR, or Badr Kamal ?
I don't think it is Bedrossian because bedrossian is not a first name. The oud looks like an old Syrian oud,
Anyone knows this label?
|
Hello there ALAMI,
Were you able to identify the origin of the oud or the name of the luthier?
I'm actually considering the purchase of an oud that looks very similar to yours, but I couldn't identify its maker. Here's a picture below.
Thanks a lot,
Attachment: oud (68kB)
This file has been downloaded 178 times
|
|
|
ALAMI
Oud Junkie
Posts: 645
Registered: 12-14-2006
Location: Beirut
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
No this oud was never identified and as Al Halabi said the name could be : Badr Kamil
I say it could also be Badr (or Badri) Hikmat
It was never repaired and yes i think yours looks very similar and it's more an Egyptian style oud.
|
|
|
naf
Oud Addict
Posts: 28
Registered: 9-14-2021
Location: Damascus - Syria
Member Is Offline
|
|
it could be also: Badie' بديع
|
|
|
![[*]](images/xmbprobrown/default_icon.gif){kind=icon}
