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LeeVaris
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Horn Rishas
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How stiff are horn rishas? And how do you folks like them aside from breaking often? |
Horn rishas can be very good or very bad depending on the quality of the horn. They can also be of any thickness. I've had good luck and bad with
rishas from Nile Shop (mostly bad but 1 was good out of a batch of varying thickness- it happened to be a fairly flexible one)
I have some excellent horn rishas from Ronny that I like quite a bit. Good horn can last quite long. Typically they have a softer attack with a
smoother sound - less "click" than plastic. I prefer fairly stiff rishas and the horn rishas I have give me a kind of soft
"punchy" sound (somewhat reminiscent of Basel's soft rishas without the bottoming out click) – a contrast to the sharp
"clear" sound of the quill rishas I've been experimenting with. As soon as I get some extra time I will put up some photos and sample
sounds for my collection of rishas.
It is my belief that you can get a good sound out of all kinds of different risha with the proper technique - much of it is personal preference.
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> a contrast to the sharp "clear" sound of >the quill rishas I've been experimenting >with. As soon as I get some extra time I
>will put up some photos and sample >sounds for my collection of rishas.
Lee, the eagle quill rishas that I have are very soft and much softer than horn rishas. The eagle rishas are known to be very difficult to master and
I'm refering to the Iraqi way of making and playing them.
Best wishes
Ronny
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Elie Riachi
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How would horn and quil rishis each compare in flexibilty or stiffness relative to guitar pick gauges (Thin, Medium, Heavy, Extra Heavy)?
Ronny and Lee, when you say Eagle rishis are very flexible, are they equivelant to Thin guitar pick or even more flexible?
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Elie
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Ronny Andersson
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I have few questions. How stiff are horn rishas? And how do you folks like them aside from breaking often?
Elie |
Elie, horn rishas made of good horn quality doesn't break. Horn rishas are superior plastic in tone production.
Best wishes
Ronny
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Where to buy Celluloid
Elie - It seems that the easiest way to get hold of some new Rishas is to make them yourself so I was wondering if you could pass on the details of
the Manufacturer and Specs of the celluloid you bought to make those Rishas in the photos.
Lee - Thanks for the Delrin tip. I think I will probably order some of that too and just make a bunch to see what's best.
I don't know much about rishas etc... but I will post a review of the materials and photos once they're all tried and tested.
Thanks all for your help
Khyam
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Elie Riachi
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Ronny, How do they compare on flexibility to guitar picks. Are they equivelant to the Thin picks, Medium, etc...?
As for rishi material I made the lighter gauge ones using the pick gaurd material from LMI. Make sure you get the celluloid ones.
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Elie Riachi
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Ronny Andersson
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Elie Riachi
Ronny, How do they compare on flexibility to guitar picks. Are they equivelant to the Thin picks, Medium, etc...?
As for rishi material I made the lighter gauge ones using the pick gaurd material from LMI. Make sure you get the celluloid ones.
Regards,
Elie Riachi |
Elie, I don't know because I have never played with guitar picks on guitar and I don't know anything about guitar picks. A eagle risha of
model used by Bashir has a width of 4mm -5mm and a thickness of 0.6mm - 0.8mm.
A horn risha made with these dimensions is unplayable and one need to increase the thickness up to 0.20mm - 0.25mm to obtain any playability. The
structure of the eagle risha seems to be very different horn because a eagle risha last much longer time than a horn risha. It's a unique
material when it's thin, slim, flexible and extreme strong.
Best wishes
Ronny
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LeeVaris
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Elie Riachi
How would horn and quil rishis each compare in flexibilty or stiffness relative to guitar pick gauges (Thin, Medium, Heavy, Extra Heavy)?
Ronny and Lee, when you say Eagle rishis are very flexible, are they equivelant to Thin guitar pick or even more flexible? |
Its very hard to draw any definite conclusions. Eagle risha are a completely different item. They are roughly as flexible as thin guitar picks but,
because the shape is so different they have unique playing characteristics. They are very flexible but somehow manage to have a very hard surface. As
Ronny points out, they are very durable.
They are also very hard to come by!
I have managed to make very serviceable risha from turkey quills but these are still not quite like eagle risha. My attempts using
Pea<b>rooster</b> quills didn't work out as well (at least the ones I had). I had a chance to examine Gassan Bashirs eagle risha when
I met him a few months ago – it was very flexible but had a subtle "spring" to it that is hard to mimic with any other material. Eagle
risha are very narrow and require a bit different technique to get the most out of them.
Again, as soon as I get some time I will take some pictures and post some sound "bites" of some of my risha experiments. I encourage you to
try different things but don't get too obsessed. You can make great music with almost any kind of risha if you learn how to use it well!
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