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Not that I know of... I believe it's the tuning suggested on the package of d'addario which is misleading and no body uses that tuning.
Very nice clean work fritz, however that action is way to high, it will have to be corrected to be playable. The strings at the neck should be about
2.5 to 3.5 mm away from the fingerboard.
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Did you get a chance to record it? I would love to hear how it sounds.
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Quote: Originally posted by SamirCanada  | Not that I know of... I believe it's the tuning suggested on the package of d'addario which is misleading and no body uses that tuning.
Very nice clean work fritz, however that action is way to high, it will have to be corrected to be playable. The strings at the neck should be about
2.5 to 3.5 mm away from the fingerboard. |
Oh dear! I see what has happened. D'Addario got ahold of the Turkish description of Arabic tuning. What's the highest course in that tuning? It's C.
What does a Turk call that? SOL! So D'Addario thinks the pitch is G. etc etc.
Fritz, I would be afraid to tune those strings even to standard Turkish pitch at a string length of 60mm. By standard Turkish pitch I mean that the
four highest courses are (high to low) d a e b and the lower courses are…..whatever they are. And if the low courses are A and E they might harm the
oud if the strings don't break first. I'd hate to see such lovely wood work and all that time and effort end in "oudicide". I'm assuming that set "J
59" is actually "J 95". That set is safe for Turkish tuning at 58.55 mm and for Arabic tuning at a longer scale.
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Fritz
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Jody... Samir...
This is the tuning readable on the label of the strings, on this tuning I think was done the measurement of the weights of the strings. I have written
this !
The actual tuning of the Oud is : A E A D g b ... from low to high
The weight of the Oud itself is 990 grams
Oh... there are some things going wrong... I see... I did not see the following postings... but now...
Jody, you are right... the set is J95 ! What would you suggest ? Wich tuning ? The sound is very arabic, the sting length is 600mm.
The tuning I use on this Oud is comfortable for me to play, and no string is bound to break... the sound is well and clear and I would never think the
tuning is too high for this strings. I do not play these strings... it was a set I had on stock... the stock decreases... I cannot buy other
strings... better strings.
Samir... what do you mean... to high ??? The action at the neck/bowl-joint is 3mm ! Not too low for an arabic Oud, and not too hight to be
uncomfortable / loss or lack of playability.
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I will try to do so.
I have a good digital recorder... next days... when the strings are staying in tune... I´ll make a small recording... with my my very small playing
skills.
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| Quote: Originally posted by SamirCanada | Not that I know of... I believe it's the tuning suggested on the package of d'addario which is misleading and no body uses that tuning.
Very nice clean work fritz, however that action is way to high, it will have to be corrected to be playable. The strings at the neck should be about
2.5 to 3.5 mm away from the fingerboard. |
Ah... I see ! One of the pics is showing the action... and the reflection of light on the finish and the small sanded area at the side edges of the
ebony fingerboard seem to increase the visible action. No no... the action is about 3mm on the lowest string... every next string-pair is a bit lower
in action to meet the different string diameters and the lower oszillating at the middle of one string...
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Fritz,
I was concerned for the safety of your beautiful new oud. And also I am annoyed with D'Addario for irresponsibly printing a tuning that will damage
some ouds.
The tuning you are using is safe for your oud but it is also unusual and to the best of my knowledge it is not a Turkish tuning. Usually the tuning
is fourths all the way on the four high courses, so the high course would be cc, not bb. Of course bb is safe for your oud. But high gg (as D'Addario
suggests) certainly is not. The confusion comes from the difference between European musical terminology and the terminology in Turkey, and in
D'Addario's apparent problem in recognizing this difference.
Also bb would make standard repertoire a bit awkward to play. But maybe you have discovered an advantage (?)
With a scale of 600mm and a set of J 95 I would recommend
C FF AA DD GG CC
also good is
D GG AA DD GG CC
having A EE in the bass is of course safe but the low A might sound and feel a bit loose.
D'Addario are not bad strings. Only their printed tuning is bad.
I think we may be having a language difficulty between American English and German. Please let me know if anything is still unclear.
Happy New Year!
jody
| Quote: Originally posted by Fritz | Jody... Samir...
This is the tuning readable on the label of the strings, on this tuning I think was done the measurement of the weights of the strings. I have written
this !
The actual tuning of the Oud is : A E A D g b ... from low to high
The weight of the Oud itself is 990 grams
Oh... there are some things going wrong... I see... I did not see the following postings... but now...
Jody, you are right... the set is J95 ! What would you suggest ? Wich tuning ? The sound is very arabic, the sting length is 600mm.
The tuning I use on this Oud is comfortable for me to play, and no string is bound to break... the sound is well and clear and I would never think the
tuning is too high for this strings. I do not play these strings... it was a set I had on stock... the stock decreases... I cannot by other strings...
better strings.
Samir... what do you mean... to high ??? The action at the neck/bowl-joint is 3mm ! Not too low for an arabic Oud, and not too hight to be
uncomfortable / loss or lack of playability.
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| Quote: Originally posted by SamirCanada | Not that I know of... I believe it's the tuning suggested on the package of d'addario which is misleading and no body uses that tuning.
Very nice clean work fritz, however that action is way to high, it will have to be corrected to be playable. The strings at the neck should be about
2.5 to 3.5 mm away from the fingerboard. |
Samir 
I just measured again the action... exactly 2,9mm ... the distance between the underside of the string (low bass) and the fingerboard... may be there
is indeed an optical effect looking like the action is too high. I cant always find the right words to explain exactly what I mean... in the one case
I mean the smoothing of the edges of the fingerboard, and this is seen in the pic, and it is not reflecting the light and seems to give the impression
that the fingerboard is lower that it is in real. The playability is good, the sound is nice and very Oudy
Melodies are coming with much deepness and a nice sad under-tone... like an arabic Oud has to sound. In a few days I make a recording...
Best wishes
Fritz
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SamirCanada
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Ok excellent news then. I was hoping it was the reflection.
Otherwise i would have been sad for you
As Jody said, that's not really a typical Oud tuning so I wonder also why you chose this tuning?
Happy new year.
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Fritz
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| Quote: Originally posted by SamirCanada | Ok excellent news then. I was hoping it was the reflection.
Otherwise i would have been sad for you
As Jody said, that's not really a typical Oud tuning so I wonder also why you chose this tuning?
Happy new year.
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Samir
Yes... the reflection gives the look of a high action.... the same I have with the pics of the other Oud I have just completed. (mahogany-maple left
hand custom made)
The tuning I use (A E A D g c ) is the one I feel comfortable with. I do not play much or good, so there ist hardly chance to check another tuning...
and there is mostly no Oud to play here. Perhaps the Padouk-Oud stays here... than I will play it. Jody suggested some tunings to check, I will try
them..
A good new year to you, too
Greetings
Fritz
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@Fritz,
ist das GEIL
Ist die Saitenlage so hoch oder kommt es mir nur so vor?
Gruß aus Worms
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Hallo erstmal
Nein, die Saiten sind wirklich kaum 3mm über dem Halsansatz. Das täuscht wohl durch das Licht und die leichte Fase in der Griffbrettkante. Hatte
extra nochmal gemessen... UNTER 3mm !
Das Teil klingt gut, spricht unheimlich an (stehste in der Küche, machst nen Ton... gehst in die Stube... da hörst den noch den Ton klingen lassen
!)
Interesse an dem Gerät ? Ist wirklich zu schade zum anne Wand hängen lassen :-(
Beschreibung haste ja sicher bereits studiert :-)
Gruß
Fritz
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@Fritz,
wie soll ich das verstehen? willst du ihn loswerden?
Gruß
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For the record, I have told D'addario multiple times about the incorrect tuning on the label . . . they said they would fix it, but I'm not holding my
breath.
The nylon courses of D'addario are a bit light for Arabic tuning, even on a longer scale oud.
I would recommend getting something like .64mm and .74mm if possible.
best,
Brian
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This Oud is for sale ...
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