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Jonathan
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Not yet, but I am going to. I don't know of anybody that knows more about Karibyan than Bilezikjian.
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Give him my regards, OK? (Steve Bayne)
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Andy
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Jonathan, I only mentioned that maybe it could be #1 oud because there is no date which may be the mind of a novice Onnik builder during that time.
Please keep me posted as what you find out from Bilizikjian. BTW, I know of a few Onniks that had their soundboards replaced never to sound the same.
I seem to recall Karibyan ouds built with the oval pick guard such as this one but I also recall them being called Onnik ouds, early 1960's. This an
extremely interesting mystery.
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Jonathan
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I also saw one on an Onnik oud from 1975.
Thanks, Andy.
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Jonathan
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Andy, you might be closer to the truth than you thought.
That oud has a bridge that appears original, with 11 holes. BUT. . . it has a single treble string hole! Super early, I think. I know that many
Manols had the single treble string, because the gut treble string was so difficult to tune and unreliable. I think most other ouds of that time
period did, as well, although in the ensuing years they have been converted over by more modern players.
The peg box is junk--a later replacement. 10 holes.
So two questions for anybody that can answer.
1. When did oud makers stop making the oud for a single treble string, versus the double course?
2. On that label, does anybody know what that little bit of Arabic script says below the Armenian?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Jonathan
2. On that label, does anybody know what that little bit of Arabic script says below the Armenian?
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it says number ..............
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Jonathan
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Thanks, Chaldo.
This is a mystery. I know in that Karibyan oud of Tasos Theordorakis that I posted pictures of, it is dated 1924. So, my gut feeling is that this
one is earlier, but I don't have anything to back that up. It just seems that once a maker got in the habit of dating his ouds, he would continue to
do that. But, of course, I could be wrong.
The Armenian line ends with Tiv 4, which means Number 4.
It could be referring to his address, of course. Or, oud number 4? I kind of doubt it, because it looks like the 4 is printed there, and not hand
written.
Does the Arabic suggest that the 4 is part of the address?
Thanks a lot! I really appreciate your help.
I put up pictures of it here:
http://www.varjouds.com/onniklink.htm
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It says the samething as the Armenian. It seems like Mr. Oud is right.
This is what I could read of the Turkish script :
line 1: oonik Gharbiyaneh e'maalati (oonik karibyan imalati)
line 2: dar (big crack in the paper) Saadat oorijil- (orijiler, there is a shadow) -si Ghooshaghji khan noomro 4.
It's the adress as mentioned before.
At the bottom is says "numro," "number" and there are dashes, looks like they forgot to put a number there.
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Jonathan
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Thanks, Peyman. I guess the way to date it might be by the address, if he changed locations from time to time.
I appreciate the help.
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Jonathan, read Saffet's reply to me on the OUD HOME PAGE about the Karibyan.
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