zalzal
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Mistake in oud lesson by Smithsonianglobalsound.
I think these are guidelines for giving oud lessons to childreens 3-5.
It is said that oud came to Europe as a ressult of the crusades !!!
It clearly jumps several centuries and annihilate Zyriab's legend fm Damas to Cordoue, which for childrens is better than the Crusades....
https://www.smithsonianglobalsound.org/images/teaching/Oooh-the-Oud....
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ALAMI
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Zalzal, I don't how you manage to find all this, you really should be named Head of the Intelligence service of this forum,
agent 00Z.
Another version of how oud reached Europe:
"In an interview conducted one year before his death, Şerif Muhiddin Targan relates the following:
“In works such as the ‘Kitâb’ül Agânî’ and musical histories by western orientologists, especially the English orientologist Farmer, there
is useful information about the ud from such great scholars as the the philosopher el-Kindî, Fârâbî and İbn-i Sînâ. But because books from
those times are not available to us, it is not known what they played on the ud, or what degree [of mastery] they attained. A student of İbrâhim
Mûsî went to Andalusia and spread the ud there. Up until then, the plectrum used for the ud was made of a type of wood, or of leather; it was he who
first used an eagle feather. During that time, the strongest strings were those made of tiger gut.
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amine2
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le musicologue et ecrivain christian poché prétend qu'à l'epoque de zyriab il y'avait deux types de oud en andalousie. l'un a quatres cordes,
l'autre à cinq.
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zalzal
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As Head of Intelligence service i nominate Alami manager of cryptology service, whose first task would be to unveil the secret of fwg identity:
İ.
That is how i rcvd yr post:
"In an interview conducted one year before his death, Şerif Muhiddin Targan relates the following:
“In works such as the ‘Kitâb’ül Agânî’ and musical histories by western orientologists, especially the English orientologist Farmer, there
is useful information about the ud from such great scholars as the the philosopher el-Kindî, Fârâbî and İbn-i Sînâ. But because books from
those times are not available to us, it is not known what they played on the ud, or what degree [of mastery] they attained. A student of İbrâhim
Mûsî went to Andalusia and spread the ud there. Up until then, the plectrum used for the ud was made of a type of wood, or of leather; it was he who
first used an eagle feather. During that time, the strongest strings were those made of tiger gut."
Pls Agent 00A, i think that this Brahim Musi, is....Ibrahim el Mawsili, whose son is Ishaq el Mansour el Mawsili, whose student is....Zyriab. (Not
forgetting the famous brother of Ishaq el Mansour....the big, the great ZALZAL AL MANSOUR).
Fm what Amine2 says i understand that the the oud with 4 and 5 courses was widely spread in Al Andalus since VIIth century and when Zyriab arrived in
VIIIth century, he imposed the use of 5 courses in Al Andalus.
Anyhow historians here may precise better on all of this.
However, the important thing is that this Smithsonian organisation is wrong saying that oud came to Europe as a result of the crusades!!!.
I think that some of us, writing good english, not me, should contact Smithsonian to correct this wrong info and provide them with the right
historical features.
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ALAMI
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HaHaHa
Sorry boss, won't happen again or you can throw me to the sharks. Now I will have to decipher the secret of pasting a "ç" into a post.
The dark history of oud travel from East to West is yet to be unveiled
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