Masel
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Trying to understand compound makams
As it's name says, a compound makam is made of two or more makams. This is from the seyir point of view am I correct? I don't really know any compound
makams properly but for example a piece in makam sazkar must contain all the modulations of sazkar (rast, ussak, segah, and the second degree
alternating between dugah and kurdi) in order to be sazkar? If not then what makes it sazkar and not rast?
Maybe I'm wrong but it seems to me that the turkish school is similar in this way to the iraqi Maqam, in that a piece must follow all the modulations
and developments, only that in iraqi Maqam there is one Maqam Rast for example, and in turkey as long as the seyir is preserved there can be infinite
compositions in it.
All help appreciated!
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Masel, iraqi maqam are different from arabic maqam? I know there is differences between the turkish and the arabic maqams but never had in mind that
the iraqi maqam are different from the arabic
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Masel
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I used a capital M for Maqam because it is a musical genre. It comes from iranian dastgah. Iraqi maqam is basically a composition (though it may sound
improvised to someone not familiar with it), with strict rules, made up from fragments of melodies, modulations, progressions etc. Go to http://www.faridamaqam4u.com/index_en.php where you can read and listen. As in all middle eastern music, there is room for interpertation but the
composition never changes.
What I asked is if in turkish music (or traditionally in arabic music as well) is if seyir means the same (only not specifically for one composition
but for any composition or taqsim in the makam), then does a seyir of a compound makam have to follow all of its modulations, even in a simple song?.
This is something I never learned and would like to know, I believe it's probably true because the dastgah is the ancient base for all middle eastern
music.
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dont try to learn it in this way
add me in msn and i well show you how can you understand the maqam
alarroug@hotmail.com
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adamgood
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Masel,
Sorry, I have a pretty hard time following what you are asking, can you be more clear maybe?
A couple of points...yes a compound makam is a makam that is made up of 2 or more makams as an important part of the seyir. As far as I can imagine
and unless I mis-understand you, be careful to refer to these as "modulations," that's something different. Think of it more as "showing" part of a
different makam. Here's my thinking:
Take for example non-compound makams...
You can modulate from Rast to Mahur - in this case you are first playing the spirit and feeling for makam Rast, then the spirit and feeling needed for
Mahur. This is a modulation.
Now take a compound makam, Ferahfeza...
It can be and typically is made up of the makams AcemAsiran + Buselik/Nihavend
You're using tastes of these makams but not the full spirit and feeling of these. You can only show makam Ferahfeza.
Once you finish Ferahfeza, then you can modulate to somewhere else. Perhaps Saba.
Just a matter of word choice and me being picky.
Sorry I don't know anything about Sazkar, just remember my teacher saying that it's similar to Rast but uses much more of the pitch Segah so, if
you're using too much Segah in your composition/taksim, you're showing more Sazkar than Rast. Here's the big piece for Sazkar by Kantemir:
http://www.makamhane.com/nota_archive/piece.php?id=2178&size=39...
when I look at it, it looks like a compound makam of Rast+Segah but that's just my hunch.
Adam
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Masel
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You answered my question perfectly Adam, thanks! It's the distinction between "showing" and "modulating" that helped me understand. Thanks.
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