Christian1095
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Sink or swim
Just wante to share....
A few weeks ago, I was approached by some folks to play Oud and bass with them to support a belly dance troupe at a Rennaissance Faire starting in
October.... I figure I can become proficient enough in 3 months... I play bass guitar, so it's not like the figuring things out is new... I just had
to translate it to the Oud.
Great guys and fabulous musicians. They gave me a playlist of a dozen songs and I spent probably 30 hours last week learning them... Since I play by
ear I had to figure it out and then learn the songs (which aside from Uskudura and Effem, were all new to me...) It was a lot of effort! But I've
got a handle on the music now, so thats a bunch of stress off of me...
The cool thing is that I'm really bonding with the instrument and I feel like the learning is really starting to sink in and I'm getting that same
level of intamacy with the Oud that I have with my bass... However, every once in a while, I get the jitters thinking that within 4 months of picking
up the instrument I'll be playing in front of a crowd... Yikes....
Any advice?
Chris Walters
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MatthewW
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Hi Chris- hey buddy, they say "when the going gets tough, the tough go shopping"..
really though, I think since you are coming from a musical background and already play something with strings on it, then you ought to be able to play
some belly dance numbers on your oud and get the ladies happily movin' and groovin' in 4 months (as long as the songs are not too difficult)...what
numbers did they give you to learn? just practise and practise and then stay cool, calm and focused and remember we are all with you! 
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Alan-TX
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Yeah what Matt says.
Ren Faire sets are 28-30 minutes and the crowds are very relaxed and or drunk. This will be a great way to get a lot of playing time on the Oud.
I'm surprised they want to learn 12 numbers unless they want 2 set lists to not get totally burnt out on the music by the end of faire. 5-6 tunes
should be enough. I am also am curious what songs are you learning?
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Christian1095
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Here's the play list...
- Brooklyn Baledy
- Amel
- Shir Be Kol Arev
- Layla
- Fire Dance
- Mevlana
- Hadouni Hadouni
- Saskin
- Uskudara
- Nihavent Oyun Havasi
- Rumeli Karsilamasi
- Efem
- Rompi Rompi
If you guys know of any cool youtube versions of these songs that puts some ornementation into the Oud that would be great... A lot of it sounds a
little "Plain Jane" and could use some spicing up...
Chris Walters
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patheslip
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Sounds fun, enjoy yourself.
I do a similar thing with my oud, playing at medieval banquets. I find I get more carry if I tie on frets made of fishing line. They're easy to
position with an electronic tuner and come off again really quickly, snip, snip.
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Christian1095
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Well, the first weekend went off without a hitch... The cool thing is that with the Bellydancers dancing, nobody is REALLY paying attention to the
music...
It was really something to be playing in front of 200-300 people... 6 more weekends to go...
Chris Walters
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GeorgeK
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Nice picture. Question, with 4 bellydancers dancing in front of you....how do you pay attention to your playing
In all seriousness, I wish I could be there to watch/participate ... it looks like a lot of fun.
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hama
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great photo Chris , I can see what you mean by (nobody is REALLY paying attention to the music... )
who blames them hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hatem_Afandi
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Hi Chris,
Have you ever heard of Toastmasters International?
http://www.toastmasters.org/
US companies provide this kind of training and encourages its managers to join this organization as part of their leadership training. It is simply
about "public speaking". The objective of the training program is to ensure that you overcome the "spot light fear" of conducting presentations. I
discovered that some musical institutes has "Public Speaking" as part of its curriculum.
Subscription to the organization is really cheap. It will definitely help you overcome any stage fear during performance. Maybe it is something you
should try and then let us know about your experiences.
Good luck,
Hatem
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billkilpatrick
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similar story with me but no belly dancers, alas. i wanted to play medieval music with a group here in italy and asked a friend of mine (living in
egypt at the time) if she would "pick up something in the market" - i didn't want anything extraordinary, just something to accompany the singers.
what i got was a beaut-i-ful oud.
is the oud you're playing amplified? ... have you posted a video to youtube?
regards - bill
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Hi Chris,
About "stage fright," or jitters or whatever you want to call it: Most of us get over it with experience and eventually reach a point where we
experience the physical reaction to performing as "exhiliration" instead.
One thing I always liked to do was sit out on a bench at my local university campus "playing" for the many passers-by (most of whom were in fact
ignoring me). This way, I not only got used to playing in front of a lot of people, I actually met some musicians, made some friends, and--back when
I was single--got to flirt with some pretty young ladies of just about every Near Eastern background.
When I sense that members of my band are nervous before a performance, I tell them to imagine that the audience is naked and sitting on toilets..."Now
who should really feel embarassed??!!" When I sense that band members are nervous on stage, I furtively make silly faces at them to get the to laugh
and loosen up.
All the best,
John
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Samer
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Chris,
This is my Electric oud, !!! wow , i love this pic, I will save it if you don’t mind and show it to M.R Sukkar, I’m sure he will be happy to see
it as well. I wish I could hear the music though.
Don’t be nervous, I’m sure you did great.
I have good news for you, Sukkar is making new Electric ouds, higher quality, I will order some but it will take a while to get to MI.
Good luck
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Christian1095
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After the first Saturday it was pretty fun... The first two shows were pretty nerve wracking though... But, I've played the songs so many times now
that I can play them in my sleep... It was a little weird though when I had to do my first taqsim/intro to a song (uskudara) --- I have no idea what
I played... but everybody thought it sounded cool.... so it all worked out... The overall experiance is just awesome though... Even playing to a
group of drunks who came to see the girls wiggle is powerful when there's 200-300 of them
The thing that made this whole experiance so weird is that I've only been playing a very very short time.... (6 months) and there is just so much I
don't know about the istrument... but it was such a good opportunity to get my feet wet in the local Middle Eastern music community that I couldn't
pass it up (lets face it, outside of the Belly Dance scene, there just isn't that much opportunity to play the oud in Charlotte NC...) So even though
I didn't feel ready for it, it was too good of an opportunity to pass up and I'm really glad I did....
However, it's also been nice this week to go back to practicing semaii's and I even downloaded and wrote out the notes for Mahur Pesrev.... So I feel
like I can finally start getting back into learning the OUD vs just learning songs on the oud...
Samer, I would love to hear what Mr. Sukkar thinks of his oud's new home.... We've had some difficulty with getting a good recording from the
soundboard..... But I'm hoping to have some soundfiles to post soon...
In terms of the Electric oud... I've been really happy with it overall and I really appreciate the quick service I got from you guys.
In terms of a more high end electic oud... I didn't have any problem with the overall construction... There are some minor details, but overall it's
a solid piece for $500.... To make that next jump in value, I would like to see either a hollowbody oud... with rosettes and a nice face... as well
as better electronics... Or a solid body construction and not have the cutout.. it will make it bit more heavy, but it will look a lot cooler...
Also, I think that guitar tuning pegs tend to look silly on an oud - even an electric oud, so I would keep the tension pegs...
Chris Walters
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My friend (has proff. camera & knows to shoot) was once invited to shoot a gig. In the very "important solo" of the guy who was paying him - he
took a shoot of DANCER!!!! He was convinced that the DANCER is the "solo".
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billkilpatrick
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something that hasn't been mentioned yet is the acquired skill of tying a turban. don't know about christian but the hours spent in front of a mirror
wrestling with the @#&! thing is time best forgotten.
sikhs seem to have a monopoly on "how to" type videos but if anyone is interested in a middle-eastern/medieval european method, please let me know and
i'll make a video.
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Christian1095
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Bill, you're dead on about the turban, but I think I've got it now...
Well, I'm almost halfway there 3 out of 7 weekends done.... So far, it's been an awesome experiance.... Except for the having to wear a turban
thing, I'm really gonna miss it... the weather here is turning colder though... Up until this weekend it had been cool in the morning and warm in
the afternoons... Yesterday and today were downright cold.... Playing the Oud while being cold was a new experiance for me.)
Also, I guess there is a lot to be said about really knowing a song... Last week, I pulled out the "Simplified Middle Eastern Music" CD that I had
learned most of the songs from... It was AMAZING how much ornamentation I'm putting into the songs... Over the past few months, I haven't had a lot
of time to really get into studying maqams or some of the classic pieces here - most of the time was spent learning sogns... But now that I know them
really well... I'm finding myself being able to add little flourishes here and there that really add the the otherwise boring melody (and they all get
boring once you've played it 1,000+ times ).
Also, this weekend, I put up the Electric Oud and played through my acoustic oud (w/ piezios) and didn't have any problems with feedback... And the
sound was much better.... One thing I found was kind of cool was that when holding the acoustic I was a lot more willing to play "loose" and relaxed.
I was putting little intros into the songs (I say intro cause Taqsim really ain't the right word... I'm still at the westerner trying to play
eastern music stage...) But the sound is better with an accoustic - in my opinion.. However, having the electric is great for it's easy of play (ie,
NO FEEDBACK) -- hopefully I'll still be able to play next week when our second drummer gets back from vacation.
Also, picked up a tabula to play in the drum solos... That was a lot of fun. I had bought a little tambourine... but I always felt cheesy playing it
while the other guys actually played the solos... It made me feel like a poser.... But, I know them well enough now that managed to I hit the
"dooms" and the occasional "tek" without messing up the songs...
Chris Walters
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billkilpatrick
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ciao chris -
sounds like you're making tremendous strides. don't know if this helps or not but i remember reading that the best way to avoid feedback is to never
place the soundhole directly in front of the microphone - always keep it an an oblique angle.
an understanding of how eastern music works is beyond me, i'm afraid - my oud playing might be called "appalachian" ... more influenced by lester
flatt than anyone else.
regards - bill
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Christian1095
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Well, the Faire is over and we have an invite back for next year....
Since this was really my first big gig I thought it might be cool to share some observations....
1. People actually asked us if we had a CD for sale throughout the faire... that was a real rush... We're talking about trying to get something down
for next year... but I kind of want to wait a bit before rushing out... just so I can get my playing a little better before trying to burn something
onto CD. But I think we're going to try to have something ready for next year.
2. Timing got better and better as the fair went on....
3. It was really useful to know what all the knobs on my pre-amp and effects processor did... the couple of hours I spent messing with it at home
really paid off when I needed to tweak something on stage.
4. While I was able to do a good job setting the effects on the electric oud, I really just like sound and tone of the accoustic one better. I want
to try a fishman Aura processor with the electric one though since it was just easier to play... and it's one thing to notch out feedback on stage in
the open air and another to do it in smaller hall.... so the electric still has a home but the acoustic just rocks
5. Getting paid to play music is awesome....
6. Big crowds or small, 56 shows will pretty much get rid of any nervous feelings you may have... though I sort of perfer a smaller crowd cause it
feels more intimate
7. The human body can only handle so much fried mac and cheese for lunch... By the end of the fair I was craving a salad like nobody's
business...
8. When Matthew said "when the going gets tough, the tough go shopping" he wasn't kidding... I refuse to add up what I spent getting ready for this
gig...
9. Turbans are a lot easier to wrap than you would think.
10. Need to get something to record directly from the soundboard....
11. While it's taken all of my weekends for the past two months, I'm really going to miss it. Thankfully we have a gig tomorrow night and then one
in December... so it won't be a complete withdrawl... but I miss it enough that I'm already looking forward to next year...
Here's a quick video somebody shot of the performance at one of the shows...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZiFNa5mXNY&feature=related
Chris Walters
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