Edward Powell
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SUDAN oud music
I wonder if anyone can point out some great Sudanese oud clips?
Also, does anyone know anything about the history of the oud in Sudan? Mohammed Antar kept telling me that traditionally Egypt and Sudan were always
like one country before it was separated after colonization.
I don't think the oud has been in Sudan very long - kind of a newcomer. I wonder what instrument it replaced? How did the oud affect Sudanese
music?
Sudanese music: While Yemenese music certainly contains a huge maqam-based microtonal element, Sundanese music seems not to have maqams and
"microtones". Of course there are microtones, but not in the sense of recognised microtonal "scale" pitches. It seems mostly pentatonic - more
"African"....
Here are some clips I found:
...I like the first one best.
the last one is a "roadmovie" which I like because it helps me to imagine what it must be like to actually be in that country.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Unw1nWfxhQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9SL3mBOgIM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLMwozsxX-E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS2vbZ_r_ko
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John Erlich
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Hi Edward,
I believe you are generally correct about Sudanese music being pentatonic-based, and if I remember correctly the word I've heard and read to describe
the scales used is "hamsi" (as in "hamsa").
I highly recommend this, my favorite Sudanese oud/vocal recording: http://www.amazon.com/Songs-Sudan-Mustafa-Al-Sunni/dp/B00000IXIL Very "African" and great "night music."
According the Sudanese music article in Wikipedia (definately to be taken with a "grain of salt"), the oud displaced the tambour, i.e., something like
this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GpLnO8yoek and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2fwlOONLwg
Peace,
John
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Edward Powell
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YES! I have that mustafa CD... it is EXCELLENT!
Thanks for those clips! So you figure the oud is desplacing this tambour....? Interesting. Seems the oud is Arabizing much of North Africa....
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John Erlich
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Hi Edward,
The comment about oud displacing the tambour in Sudan came from the Wikipedia article. I find Wikipedia very informative, but always seek
corroborating sources.
Peace,
John
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Hi Ed,
When I commented on your Sudan tune it struck a chord in my soul, it's the connection my friend and its the blood Sudan is my roots buddy and where I
was born 
I don't think the oud has displaced the tambour in in any way, as this have a strong tribal connections deeply rooted in the Sudanese culture, and
more in place than the oud. As the latter introduced through the Egyptians / Turkish armies musical bands and afterwards during the modern Sudanese
music era around the 1920's if not before.. But most the tribes who adopted the tambor clung to it to this day and it has a cultural significance and
status.. and Within the vast Sudanese ethnic rainbow which exceeds the 800 different tribe and ethnicity, is tuned and played differently.
As for the Oud, specially from the 50's to this date is picking up the pace and its popularity is becoming evident.
The oud came to Sudan with the Turkish, Egyptians and Syrians during the Anglo Egyptian and Turkish occupation.. I cannot precisely say when exactly
but around that time, I'll try and get you more info, as John mentioned above the Khomasi is the flavour of the music and yes it pentatonic.
No a days with youtube and the internet you can get more info in regard to the Sudanese music and the oud if you do a search for Sudanese music.
I'll attach a few links here:
Lets not forget the master of the Nubian Sudanese oud, may his soul rest in peace :
Hamza Eldin
Mhammed Al Amin
Mohammed Wardi, the other great Nubian legend
Ahmed Al Mustafa
There are more to come Ed,
Cheers
Best Regards
Awad
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abusin
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Also Ed, Naseer Shama have just opened a Sudanese extension for Bait Al Oud recently 
Hanan Alneel
Mustafa Al Sunni
More Hamza
And this is the king of Sudanese melody, Awad Ahmodi,
Awad Ahmodi
Watch the risha style, awesome
Best Regards
Awad
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Edward Powell
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ABUSIN!
THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH! This is a great education!
I incredibly love this sudanese music! ...that risha style is bizaar!
Hey, Hamsa seems to be doing Rast maqam sort of.... I guess Nubia is a melting ground btw Egypt and Sudan... ?
I wonder if there are any purists out there who resent the oud coming into Sudan - - - the way some of us don't like fretted guitars encroaching into
oudland...
THANKS AGAIN, and please post more if you have time!
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John Erlich
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While we are on the subject of Africa, I want to recommend this CD highly:
http://www.amazon.com/Swahili-Song-Book-Zein-lAbdin/dp/B00004W5AV/r...
I like these two, as well, but can't give them as unreserved a recommendation:
http://www.amazon.com/Taarab-Vol-1-Music-Zanzibar/dp/B00001R3J9/ref...
http://www.systemrecords.co.uk/mohamed-hassan-duniya-p-969285.html
Peace,
John
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Hi John, and sorry Edward, for temporarily hijacking your thread.
I posted on another thread asking how it was possible to get hold of Zein l'Abdin's Swahili Songbook. It seems it's out of print and the only place I
can see it is on Amazon for $99. Do you know of another source, or, given it's out of print, is there another way of getting hold of it digitally??
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John Erlich
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Hi Dave,
I feel your pain. It's selling for 134 quid on Amazon.UK...has the CD been gold-plated?
I found a downloadable here (scroll about 1/3 of the way down): http://www.zona-musical.com/postt70662.html
And here: http://rapidlibrary.com/download_file_i.php?qq=songbook&file=28...
Best,
John
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Kelly
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Hey Awad, Edward and John
Dont forget Mohammed Aziz al Mubarak, especially early Sounds of Sudan recording and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JonXksmbf8g
Kelly
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Edward Powell
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Cool, thanks!
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