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Marina
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bpcNORD
Here's a list of "famous" oud players:
In Morocco:
Tarik Banzi
Ahmed El Bidaoui
Said Chraybi
Driss El Maloumi
Armand Sabach
In Palestine:
Le trio Joubran
Simon Shaheen
Ahmad Al-Khatib
Issa Boulos [6]
Nizar Rohana
Samer Totah [7]
Adel Salameh
Kamilya Jubran
Haytham Safia (Palestine/Netherlands)
I think the Armenians are well represented in Oudland! |
Armand Sabach - he lives in Israel, not Marocco ;-),
so does Yair Delal, Taiseer Elias, etc....
:: | Quote: | Originally posted by bpcNORD
Here's a list of "famous" oud players:
In Morocco:
Tarik Banzi
Ahmed El Bidaoui
Said Chraybi
Driss El Maloumi
Armand Sabach
In Palestine:
Le trio Joubran
Simon Shaheen
Ahmad Al-Khatib
Issa Boulos [6]
Nizar Rohana
Samer Totah [7]
Adel Salameh
Kamilya Jubran
Haytham Safia (Palestine/Netherlands)
I think the Armenians are well represented in Oudland! |
Armand Sabach - he lives in Israel, not Marocco ;-),
so does Yair Delal, Taiseer Elias, etc....
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Butrous
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Butrous
A more systematic approach might produce different coloration of your chart. It will be impossible to obtain empirical evidence, none the less it
would be interesting to speculate on the following for each country on your map:
1. How many ouds exist per capita?
2. How many ouds exist per household?
3. How many active oud makers exist per one million citizens.
4. How many ouds are exported per year?
5. How many ouds are imported per year?
6. How many recordings were made in the last 25 years which feature the oud as a dominant instrument in a solo performance or in a group with less
than 6 members?
7. How many instrument stores exist that sell a range of quality ouds?
8. How many performers sing while playing the oud?
9. How many composers use the oud as their primary instrument? |
My guess is that the top ranking countries for each metric would be:
1. and 2. Kuwait then Iraq
3. Turkey, Syria then Iraq
4. Turkey, Egypt then Syria as largest exporters
5. Lebanon, then the Gulf States as largest importers
6. Yemen then Kuwait
7. Turkey then Egypt
8. Yemen
9. Yemen
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rojaros
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There seems to be some oud tradition in Kenya ( http://folkmusicsmb.blogspot.com/2008/03/swahili-song-book-zein-lab... ) - I don't know how much of it still exists
best wishes
Robert
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Christian1095
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Where the Oud is played....
I think you're far too narrow in your scope... Here is a true map of the influence of this instrument.
Chris Walters
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arsene
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Maybe Andalucia (Spain) should be included too, or at least as a "permanent observer" 
Also, you might consider making Romania a sattelite state, since one of the romanian folk instuments is the cobza: "The Romanian cobza is a local
adaptation of the Persian Barbat or Turkish oud, brought to the area by itinerant Gypsy musicians in the 15th century. A cobza player is called a
lăutar (= lute player)." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koboz).
Especially if you consider the older versions of the instrument - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cobza1.gif
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Andy
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I have to put in my 2 cents on this. I did not see these Armenian American oud players like Leo Derderian, Richie Berberian, Mal Barsamian, Eli
Nazarian, Harry Bedrosian, Joe Kouyoumjian, all excellent players.
On my site I show a picture of my Movses Bedros Keshishian oud made in Yerevan, Armenian. So, we can add another oud maker to the list.
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Edward Powell
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For me OUD, for some reason is synonymous with "makam", or "non-12tone music". Sure the boundaries of oud-land can be stretched - but this stretching
I feel ought to always be qualified...
I would say a country is a fully "oud-land" country when the traditional music heavily uses makam and microtones...
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Marina
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Actally, I have to admit, Armenian oud players are my FAVORITES.
The map of Oudistan deels with this life, but, what if I was an Armenian in the past life?
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Bosnia is not on the map.
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Edward Powell
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is there an oud tradition in Bosnia??
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Ararat66
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Well Marina
I am half Armenian in this life !!! and I love oud ... so maybe I was an oud in a past life. What sort of oud though??
Leon
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Marina
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No oud in Bosnia, just saz. Probably, when the Turks were there there were more ouds. Today, I am the only one. ;-)
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Ararat66
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Marina
If you are the only oud in Bosnia surely that puts Bosnia on the map of Oudistan 
Leon
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Edward Powell
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Does that mean Czech deserves to be on also.....??
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Ararat66
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Too right my friend ... and if there is anyone playng in Hawaii ... well why not?
Leon
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Edward Powell
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I know you are joking, but in truth, there is a lot of truth in what you say - because there really is not much of a concentration anymore (except
Istanbul) and some really excellent players are scattered around everywhere -
- and perhaps more importantly if we think in terms of the whole world being "oudland" maybe there will be a greater chance of the oud truly
developing and being appreciated the world over?
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Ararat66
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I am only half joking and really don't mean to trivialise you very interesting thread (its been a long week!!).
I suppose there comes a point when a musical form reaches a critical mass of awareness to become something that isn't just a curiosity , so Oudistan
would generally be seen to range across North Africa, the Near and middle East and round to the west as far as Greece. There will be lots of pockets
with all of us being the island wherever we may be.
Leon
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arsene
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I agree!
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Mortys
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Hi everybody,
Well, in Farsi ,Iran, -istan means province, and once it has been all Persian empire. Maybe because of that.
The origin of Oud is sofar known from Mesopotamia and later Persia and in perticular Iran. And ofcourse through years has been changed in his form and
structure by Arabs and Turks and other nations.
So i think the true original map would be the map of Great Persia of some 2500 years ago.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbat_(lute)
But as we all know, now we live in a world without borders, fortunately, atleast in music.
MUSIC RULES
MUSIC IS LOVE
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arsene
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Yes, it has been taken and adapted into other cultures, but that has been so long ago that by now it has become part of those cultures. So now, 2500
years later, Oudistan may well be the biggest empire the world has ever known
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