majnuunNavid
Oud Junkie
Posts: 622
Registered: 7-22-2013
Member Is Offline
Mood: Dude, where's my Oud?
|
|
Down/Up Stroke Symbols in Jamil Bashir Oud method book
In Persian notation we use an upside-down "v" for downstroke, and a normal "v" for upstroke above the notes on the staff...
In several Arabic language Oud method books I keep seeing another symbol which is upsidedown v and a normal v side by side. See pictures.
I searched but I couldn't find anything on this forum about this.
Thanks!!!
[file]37272[/file] [file]37273[/file]
|
|
|
FastForward
Oud Junkie
Posts: 225
Registered: 6-2-2008
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
The same notation is used in Jamil Bashir's book, \/ for a down stroke and /\ for an up stroke, the \/ /\ is for two strokes "down up" for the same
note. You will see also a four stroke for the same note sometimes shown as \/ /\ \/ \/ for down up down down, and perhaps a few other variations.
|
|
|
majnuunNavid
Oud Junkie
Posts: 622
Registered: 7-22-2013
Member Is Offline
Mood: Dude, where's my Oud?
|
|
So I assume that means to play "down up down up" over the quarter note in the second example? This is a convention to replace writing 16th notes?
|
|
|
Jason
Oud Junkie
Posts: 734
Registered: 9-17-2005
Location: Louisville, KY
Member Is Offline
Mood: Loving my oud
|
|
Would it be metered to 16th notes or does it mean to play the note as tremolo? It seems confusing to use v ᴧ over a quarter note to indicate
two 8th notes instead of just writing two 8th notes.
|
|
|
majnuunNavid
Oud Junkie
Posts: 622
Registered: 7-22-2013
Member Is Offline
Mood: Dude, where's my Oud?
|
|
AH, tremolo would make the most sense!!!! I've seen different symbols to indicate tremolo in Persian music, but never this.
|
|
|
Jody Stecher
Oud Junkie
Posts: 1378
Registered: 11-5-2011
Location: California
Member Is Offline
|
|
If you listen to Jamil Bashir play well known repertoire that he did not compose you will hear him play 4 sixteenth notes where the usual thing is one
quarter note. He played a plectrum-oriented oud style. I am guessing that the down-up symbols are a way of showing the basic melody and the suggested
oud interpretation at once.
|
|
|
FastForward
Oud Junkie
Posts: 225
Registered: 6-2-2008
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
They are played as a filler, and time wise, they divide the note into 2, 3 or 4 strokes. One thing to note is that while you play 2 or 3 or 4 strokes,
they are not similar as some of the strokes are accented (played harder or softer).
This is talked about in the early part of the book, see the attached image.
/\ for a down stroke
\/ for an up stroke
He says the strokes need to be synchronized without any temporal advancement or delay.
[file]37275[/file]
|
|
|
![[*]](images/xmbprobrown/default_icon.gif){kind=icon}
