yvestra
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Where to buy a lavta for beginner?
Hey,
I live in France and I'm really really really interested in buying a lavta. Do you a place where I can try one in Paris (except les sons de l'orient),
Nantes or Rennes?
I will probably buy one on line. Do you any recommendations of good sellers? I'm a beginner so I want to find one around 300 euros.
Thanks!
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coolsciguy
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Hey,
Not sure about Paris but this is where I got mine:
https://www.paradosiakaorgana.gr/
The owner is a nice guy named Giannis, ask him about Lavta options. He is very helpful and helped me find a good one among his inventory.
Hope this helps
-- Amir
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yvestra
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Hey,
Thanks a lot for your answer ! What model did you get ?
I started playing the saz (my true love is oud but to hard to play without frets), so the lavta appears to be the best choice  ! Is it hard to play ? There are not so much information online about this
instrument. The frets seems to be particulary weird compared to saz, buzuq, etc.
Yves
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Cyril
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How about saving up some money and obtain a lute?
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Or: https://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=17452
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yvestra
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Thanks for you answer !
When you say lute, you mean specifically an oud or something else ?
I look on the internet if i can an oud already already, didn't find so much things. And i'm not confident enough to make the frets myself, i wouldn't
know how to do it properly since i want to play at the same time on this instrument armenian, music and arabic music (syrian and so on).
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Quote: Originally posted by yvestra  | Hey,
Thanks a lot for your answer ! What model did you get ?
I started playing the saz (my true love is oud but to hard to play without frets), so the lavta appears to be the best choice ! Is it hard to play ? There are not so much information online about this
instrument. The frets seems to be particulary weird compared to saz, buzuq, etc.
Yves |
What do you mean by "hard to play"? It is not physically hard to play the soft strings of a fretless oud. The vibrating length of its strings are
typically shorter than those of a lavta. So there is less stretch between finger positions and, depending on string gauge, there is usually less
string tension.
Do you mean it is hard for the mind to find the right place to put the left hand fingers? But if you don't have the confidence to place your fingers
in the right place on a fretless fingerboard (few beginners do) how will you know where to position the frets of the lavta? And if its frets are
correctly positioned how will you know which frets to use for anything you play on the instrument? The problem is the same with a fretless fingerboard
and a fingerboard with movable frets. It is a problem of the mind and ears, not a physical problem.
What do you mean by the lavta frets being "weird"? Lavta frets are made from the same range of material as buzuq, saz, and tanbur.
You want to play several kinds of music. In my opinion an oud is more versatile, and more suitable for that than a lavta which was designed
specifically for Ottoman music.
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Cyril
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yvestra: I mean lute as an european instrument with movable frets, similar to oud (https://www.thomann.de/cz/thomann_renaissance_laute.htm)
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Hello. You can find the best quality lutes at their prices, made by Luthier Kamil Gül, at this address.
https://theorientvalley.com/lute-lavta
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coolsciguy
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| Quote: Originally posted by yvestra | Hey,
Thanks a lot for your answer ! What model did you get ?
I started playing the saz (my true love is oud but to hard to play without frets), so the lavta appears to be the best choice ! Is it hard to play ? There are not so much information online about this
instrument. The frets seems to be particulary weird compared to saz, buzuq, etc.
Yves |
Sure thing, I got the makam plus model and am fairly happy with the sound and playability.
Lavta is a unique instrument that looks similar to the oud but quite different in technique and sound. If your main interest is in the oud, just get
one and learn the instrument. It's going to be harder in the beginning (compared with a fretted instrument) but you'll get the hang of it if you have
interest and invest time.
-- Amir
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yvestra
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Hey,
Thanks for you anwsers and advices ! I'm gonna go to a place where they sell both lavta and oud next week. It's gonna be easier to compare the sounds
of these two instruments and see how i feel playing them.
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moogri
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Around 300 euros ?
Well good luck, this is usually the "beginners' mistake" which is not investing much into an instrument. (like spending 50€ in on a Yamaha C40)
if the price are usually around 600 to 800 euros new
With 300 euros imho, do not expect anything musically outstanding unless it's second hand.
Sons de l'Orient sells at very fair price and doesn't make that much profit considering taxes, import taxes and you're certain any instrument from
there is tuned and ready to play and doesnt have any flaws. It's exactly the same as buying a guitar online (no tuning, high action, saddle and nut
untouched) and from a store with a luthier in the background. You also get the instrument directly from the store with no shipping cost and worries,
no possible customs and with 2 years warranty.
I was very close to buy from there but found a professional oud second hand at a decent price. Ouds are far much easier to find second hand (a lot of
people either have a lots of oud or beginners give up only after trying for a few months)
Though I can understand if you can't spend more, but I would consider saving and get something decent from there.
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