Abu Raheema
Oud Admirer
Posts: 2
Registered: 2-9-2008
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
Quest For Song
Hey all:
A long time ago a friend placed me a piece of what I think is traditional takht music, I have no idea what the name of it is or anything.
This is what I can say:
* It is a traditional song with a very traditional melody
* The intro features a solo between an oud, a ney and maybe a qanun - each one solos on the same melody for about 4 - 5 minutes before the percussion
unites them.
* Right before the percussion starts the oud and the qanun play three rising notes twice in a row
I've been looking for this piece FOREVER! I am now in Qatar and want to see if I can find it.
ANY and ALL suggestions are welcome.
Thanks in advance
Abu Raheema
|
|
|
Michael_al_faaris
Oud Lover
Posts: 24
Registered: 7-21-2007
Location: Flagstaff, Arizona
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
Your description would fit the tune Muhabbet as played on the Gypsy Fire album, with Hagopian on oud. It has kanun (turkish armenian, hence spelled
with a "k"), oud and violin trading segments of the introduction, which lasts over four minutes before starting the distinctive three note hijaz
motiff of the egyptian folk tune Ayazein on the kanun, with percussion then coming in dramatically in iqa duyek (a turkish maqsoum rhythm). Tekbilek
is on the album, but not on this tune as far as I can tell. I have transcibed Hagopian's oud solo, for those out there who read music.
Or maybe it's just a coincidence that your description fits this recording. Besides having violin instead of ney, it is not traditional takht
instrumentation either, which would just have riqq for percussion instead or darbukka.
As for finding it, when I search for "Muhabbet" on itunes, this recording comes out at the top of the list, so at least it should be easy to find if
you have internet access. If I could figure out how to convert my m4a file to mp3 and then post it, I could send it along.
|
|
|
Jonathan
Oud Junkie
Posts: 1582
Registered: 7-27-2004
Location: Los Angeles
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
Is there any chance you could post Hagopian's oud solo?? It would be great to have.
|
|
|
Abu Raheema
Oud Admirer
Posts: 2
Registered: 2-9-2008
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
MICHAEL - I LOVE YOU!
I owe you MILLIONS! That't it! Wow! Let me know if you ever need anything, wow, that song is amazing.
THANK YOU
Abu Raheema
|
|
|
Johnny_Be_Oud
Oud Lover
Posts: 10
Registered: 1-28-2008
Member Is Offline
Mood: My mOud is gOud!
|
|
| Quote: | | If I could figure out how to convert my m4a file to mp3 and then post it, I could send it along. |
Hey Michael,
Go to iTunes preferences > Advanced > Importing >
Import using: MP3 encoder
>click OK to close the prefs window
Now highlight the tune in your iTunes playlist > go to top Menu >
Advanced > Convert Selection to MP3 - in about a minute it's done.
To find the converted tune, go to your iTunes music library and click "date added" or find it alphabetically.
best,
John
PS. I'd love to see the transcribed solo too!
|
|
|
Jonathan
Oud Junkie
Posts: 1582
Registered: 7-27-2004
Location: Los Angeles
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
Guys--the music industry is falling apart. If you want the track, pay the 99 cents!
|
|
|
Michael_al_faaris
Oud Lover
Posts: 24
Registered: 7-21-2007
Location: Flagstaff, Arizona
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
Jonathan is absolutely correct. Even if I ever post music here for someone's convenience, I admire these great musicians and suggest that people who
can afford a set of strings should buy the CDs, preferably multiple copies, giving the extra copies to your friends as gifts.
The solo transcription is ready to post in pdf, but again I am a newbie and unsure how to do it. Let's see....
Nope. Can't figure it out. Do I need to get it into jpg format, or can I somehow attach the pdf file to a post? While awaiting advice, I will see
if I can find the answer on my own. Maybe tonight I can get this done.
I have transcribed the melody also, separate file, because some of the guys I play with prefer printed music to learning by ear.
Abu - Post pictures from Qatar and report back on the music scene there.
Jonathan - I'll be in LA next month to catch SK ensemble at Cal Fullerton, 3/6/08. I will come with my Shehata oud, violin, riqq and tabla. It would
be fun to meet some more of you socal guys
John - Thanks for the tech tip. Please advise on how to attach stuff to my posts.
mike
|
|
|
DaveH
Oud Junkie
Posts: 526
Registered: 12-23-2005
Location: Birmingham, UK
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
Mike, click the 'post reply' button --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------\|/
(don't type in the reply window at the bottom of the page). A new page will come up with an attachment input box a little below the typing window. Use
the "browse" button beside it to find the file.
D
|
|
|
Michael_al_faaris
Oud Lover
Posts: 24
Registered: 7-21-2007
Location: Flagstaff, Arizona
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
Thanks, Dave.
Notes on transcription:
Finale Print does not provide good handling of half flats, so the awji is written as if it were a b (si) natural.
I cannot play this at Hagopian's tempo (at 90% I start to get too sloppy; trying to stay relaxed while increasing the tempo of this solo is a good
exercise, in my opinion).
This is not carefully proofread
I use the "Amazing Slow-Downer" software not only to transcribe, but also to play along for practice and to adjust tuning (like playing Rahim Alhaj's
"When The Soul is Settled" at concert 440 pitch)
|
|
|
Michael_al_faaris
Oud Lover
Posts: 24
Registered: 7-21-2007
Location: Flagstaff, Arizona
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
solo transcription
When at first you don't succeed...
|
|
|
Johnny_Be_Oud
Oud Lover
Posts: 10
Registered: 1-28-2008
Member Is Offline
Mood: My mOud is gOud!
|
|
Haha yeah Michael - that's a burning solo!
Great job on the transcription and thanks for putting the time location, you're a pro! 
I just glanced at it and I know how time consuming that is to try to input the rhythms.
Small point: I think there could be a tie from the last 16th of measure 5 to the first on m.6
Do you have any other transcriptions?
thanks,
John
|
|
|
Michael_al_faaris
Oud Lover
Posts: 24
Registered: 7-21-2007
Location: Flagstaff, Arizona
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
Since there are no oud players I know about in Arizona who are of anywhere near the caliber of Afif Taian or Naser Musa (the two oudists in southern
California from whom I have the pleasure of receiving some instruction and connection - buy their CDs!!), I have to figure a lot out on my own. I
have a handful of other solos under construction, but by coincidence I had this one finished because it was short enough and I wanted to play it as
close as I could to the original. I will survey my files and get back regarding what I have available, probably on a new thread.
The accuracy of anything I transcribe is simply my best effort, and my ears are certainly not better than anybody else's. Sometimes I might write
what I can play myself while fully aware that it is not the same as what what the artist played. The first half of measure ten is such an
approximation. Regarding measure 6, I thought I heard the risha hit distinctively on the downbeat. Anybody learning a solo should probably strive
to make it their own any way.
Back on the subject of this particular tune, left me proofread my transcription of the head and I will post it soon.
|
|
|
Michael_al_faaris
Oud Lover
Posts: 24
Registered: 7-21-2007
Location: Flagstaff, Arizona
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
Transcription of Muhabbet melody (head)
The Ney player in my group learns faster from written music, so I have a larger library of' chorus transcriptions than solos.
Note that this transcription is approximate, because the kanun, violin, oud (and guitar also) are playing in "approximate" unison [heterophony]. I
could insert some of the embellishments from the recording (for example the guitar arpeggio in measure 21 or the descending violin riff in measure
23), but the purpose of this transcription was to establish the basic melody.
I need to look into whether the forum has a designated place for exchanging transcriptions. I actually favor learning by ear. Taqsims are not
readily transcribed because of the liberal use of rubato and notes held for undefined counts. Nonetheless, I sometimes write out long solos, because
I may have to study them over several months and don't want to forget the parts I have already figured out.
|
|
|
Jonathan
Oud Junkie
Posts: 1582
Registered: 7-27-2004
Location: Los Angeles
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
Thanks, Michael. You're going to be in LA on Thursday, March 6?? The weekend too? It would be nice if we could get a group of members together.
|
|
|
Michael_al_faaris
Oud Lover
Posts: 24
Registered: 7-21-2007
Location: Flagstaff, Arizona
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
See Mike's thread about "a few things."
Some of my favorite players are playing Thursday: Afif, Rachid Halihal, Naser, and Souhail. Would not miss the CSUF concert for anything.
I will come equipped to play. Whether I drive home Saturday or Sunday depends on what's going on.
Mike
|
|
|
![[*]](images/xmbprobrown/default_icon.gif){kind=icon}
