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New Musical Scores Page
Hey everybody,
I just wanted to let you all know that there is a new section on the site for people to share their Musical Scores (thanks to Spyrosc for the suggestion). There is also an album there to upload images of your
ouds as well. But let me just mention that I think we should all send David Parfitt pictures of our ouds for his awesome Oud Gallery Page. The main focus of the musical scores page is really for musical scores.
Take care,
Mike
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New page
Mike,
You've outdone yourself again, man !
Thanks for being so responsive !
I know I'm going to get a lot of benefit from it.
Shukran ya akhi, ou mabrouk
Spyros C.
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Mike, what an awesome page! Hopefully this weekend, I can get a few files up. (If you like, you can move the sheet music from the Longa Sabbough post
from there to it's respective folder on the new page).
Again, awesome job, man.
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Thanks to all of you guys for your activity, suggestions, and support! I really appreciate it.
Hey TP...I will probably not go through the forums to find the various sheet music that has been posted here. So, I think it might be better to just
go ahead and put it up in the appropriate album on the other page. I am about due for a forum maintenance thingie again, so don't worry if it is
in two places. But I'll wait until some of the scores are up already before doing the maintenance. Looking forward to seeing your additions, as
well as others, to that page. (BTW...did you get that email about capture cards? Let me know if you need anymore help.)
Zul...right back at you bro!
Take care,
Mike
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One more thing. I am aware of a few bugs in that page, and am trying to get them fixed. So if anybody has problems registering or uploading images,
please don't hesitate to email me and let me know about them. Zul...I got your registration email instead of you. For some reason the one you
used got bounced back. I went ahead and activated your registration for you. You should be able to login now and upload stuff. Thanks to Lee and David
for pointing out some glitches too.
Mike
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Zulkarnain
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Great stuff Mike!!
Zul
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Hey Mike. I got the e-mail and I went to go check it out... $150... wow... I thought it was gonna go for like.. $70-80, I didn't know it was
gonna wipe me clean. Do you know what I should be looking for in particular when I go check em out? Like... if you buy a camera, they tell you to get
a certain amount of pixels if you want it to be good and clean. Any analogous comparison with these cards?
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Mike
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Hey TP,
Look at the dazzle products. I have heard good things about them. My buddy, who is into videography, told me about them recently. They have one for
under a hundred, and it comes with a very easy-to-use video editing software program too called Pinnacle Studio (or something like that).
Good luck,
Mike
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TruePharaoh21
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Mike, is yours hooked up by firewire or by USB? If it's USB, it's much much easier to do everything that I'm looking to do.
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I can do it either way. Look at the Dazzle 80. I think it allows for either way too.
Mike
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And you've tried both ways? My only reason for asking is that I've heard that doing it through USB gives you broken frames and such. Is that
true?
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Broken frames depends on how many frames per second you encode your video. If you make a video with 15fps then you will obviously lose frames, but if
you go with 30fps you wil end up losing just a few during the encoding. You will have a much larger file though. Don't worry about making the
videos 15fps, because if you didn't pan out and in a bunch of times (and quickly) while recording him playing, then it won't make a
difference.
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Awesome, Mike. Thanks for all the advice man. Ladies and gentlemen, our source for all kinds of info.... 
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I just wanted to bring to everyone's attention that Mav posted quite a number of sheet music on the new page. Nice job, Mav! Now all I have to do
is learn to read... 
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Nice Job Mav
Salam
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My pleasure guys, just wanted to give the page a start. Sorry that these scores are not in the common Arabic keys, but Ottoman. It's no big
deal to transpose them though if you like them. 
Thanks again to Mike for such a cool page.
Enjoy! 
mav
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Thanks so much Mav for posting the scores. For the Arabic keys should I transpose down a whole tone? This is really wonderful, thanks also to Mike for
making this available.
Metta,
Roy
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mavrothis
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Hi there. Really, regardless of whether the source is Ottoman or Arabic, we are free to play these pieces in any key we wish.
The most typical for Ottoman is to transpose down a fourth. Arabic scores are usually written in D or C, but have the same freedom in choice of
concert pitch.
Let me know if you have any problems.
mav
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Mav's right, of course--you can play the pieces in whatever key you like. Usually the "standard" Arabic key is down a whole step from
the Turkish key, but since tuning isn't absolute, either, it can be down a third, or whatever, depending on the tuning. But if your oud is tuned
CGADGC, then it's down a whole step from the Turkish tuning. But since the Turkish tuning is up a fourth from the Turkish concert pitch, then
Turkish sheet music is up a FIFTH from Arabic concert pitch.
written "c" = turkish "G", Arabic "F", either way, it's the third finger on the third string.
The other thing about reading turkish sheet music is that the differences between Turkish and Arabic versions often extend beyond just the
transposition. Usually the difference is mainly in the use of accidentals.
Here are some of my observations from studying Arabic vs. Turkish performances of the same piece:
Turkish "backwards" flat = Arabic half-flat.
Turkish "slashed" flat = Arabic flat, this usually shows up in a Hijaz jins. If it's not in Hijaz, there might be a different
interpretation, possibly a half-flat.
Turkish natural = Arabic natural, except when leading into a Rast jins, where it's usually played half-flat
Turkish sharp = a lot of variability here, because it's used differently in different Turkish music. If it's in a Rast or Bayyati context,
it is usually a half-sharp. If it's in a Hijaz, Nahawand, Nawa Athar, or Ajam context, it's usually a regular sharp.
Turkish flat = Arabic flat.
However, some tunes (like Tatyos Sama'i Hijaz Kar Kurd) have been partially re-composed for the Arabic version and differ substantially from the
way Turkish musicians play them. Of course you can also play the Turkish version in an Arabic key . . . there are a lot of possibilities. I think
Iraqi musicians sometimes play them up a fourth from the usual Arabic tuning, making them a whole step below the Turkish written music . . .
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Brian, you made mention of the Samai Tatyos. I don't have many recordings at this point, and you mentioned that the Turkish differs substantially
from the Arabic. Do you have sound clips that we can hear?
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yeah, there are many possibilities, and the accidentals really aren't equal for Ottoman and Arabic style playing. just like Brian said though,
you can consider the backwards flat as a slashed flat if you play arabic style oud, even though they're not played the same by an Ottoman style
player.
just let me know if anyone needs help.
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I meant the Rast Samai, sorry. The Hijaz Kar Kurd Samai isn't much different from the Turkish version.
Here's the Rast Samai:
Arabic version-Simon Shaheen
Turkish version-Kudsi Erguner
The Third Khana (Hane) is substantially different in the two versions, where the Arabic modulates to Hijaz on G, the Turkish modulates to Bayyati.
There are some other, more subtle changes as well. Simon's version is consistent with other Arabic versions i've heard, and Erguner's
is similar to published Turkish sheet music.
And I support what Mav said, about the fact that the microtones are not played the same by an Ottoman style player and an Arabic player . . . if you
want to play Turkish style, the Turkish accidentals are important for the style. What I was meaning to say was that when the pieces are
re-interpreted in an Arabic style, the accidentals usually change to reflect Arab practice . . .
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