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uisimone
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mechanical tuners
Does anyone know where I can get mechanical tuners? I live in Toronto, Canada.
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Edward Powell
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what kind?
for what, an oud?
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uisimone
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mechanical tuners
Hello - the tuners would be for a Turkish oud
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Edward Powell
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guitar type tuners?
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Jameel
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The best mechanical tuners for oud are Pegheds. No question.
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Edward Powell
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Jameel
The best mechanical tuners for oud are Pegheds. No question. |
what are these??
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Reda Aouad
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http://www.pegheds.com 
youtube it as well..
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Edward Powell
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yes I saw these recently for the first time at MAURICE'S.
he said they were $25 each piece.
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I haven't tried pegheds and they sound fantastic, but if i had a choice between guitar-type machineheads and ordinary pegs (well made) I would go for
pegs every time. Apart from the disadvantage of the weight pulling down on the neck, there's the issue of winding away on a 5:1 worm gear for several
minutes times 11 strings, every time you change them. I find that pegs give ample fine-tuning accuracy.
But if you really want machineheads, try asking veyselmusic on this forum - he fits them on some models.
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Reda Aouad
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I agree Dave. Wooden pegs were used for ages and you can always tune your oud perfectly with good pegs (as well as pegbox, nut...). There is no need
for mechanical heads at all if the oud is well made.
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Hi all!
I have a oud with mechanical guitar tuners. And I have playd several ouds that have it. And this is what I think (if I may):
1- the wait issue is no problem at all. You don't have to pull more, because of the way we hold the oud (try it by hanging extra wait from pegbox
:-).
But one has to be carefull when you release your left hand (right handed players), for the oud would fall to the left. But I got used to it fast!!
2- the changing of the strings is no problem at all, either. You can bye a small winder mashine (is that the right name?!). And you change them really
fast!
3- The big problem thought is the tuning!!
Mechanical tuners don't go around "continuasly" (smoothly), but in small intervals. That makes it almost impossible to tune two strings 100%
alike! And that was/is a big problem. So I don't use that oud anymore. (just when I want to play in the sun in the backyard :-)
So in my opinion, ebony pegs is much better.
P.S. I have heard of some super guitar pegs (forgot the name now..), and took contact with the maker/dealer (three times) never got any answer 
Jamëel, are pegheds better than good eboney pegs?
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Reda Aouad
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Mechanical guitar tuners are the most ugly part I've ever seen on a oud. I just can't look at a oud with guitar tuners.
As for pegheds, aesthetically they look normal pegs. But we should ask someone who has tried them if they are worth their expensive price.
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Pegheds are worth it. They are effortless to use (they work just like regular pegs, with less effort), hold extremely well and are very predictable
and consistent. And I can fit wood pegs very well.
My last oud featured pegheds, and I like them so much I'm having a hard time not using them on every oud from here on. They are heavier than wood
pegs, but it's about the equivalent of adding one peg to the oud. And if the pegbox is built a tad lighter, it could even out. They also looks
fantastic and don't detract from the oud at all.
They aren't cheap though. If anyone is interested, I can get pegheds for you directly from the manufacturer.
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Jameel
do we need to send our pegs to make them pegheds or the manufacturer has standard ones?
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Edward Powell
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will pegheads work with a set up like this - or do you need the peg held at the end as well as the middle?
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You can get pegheds with standard heads, or you can send in your own pegs and he'll use the heads from those pegs. That's what I did for the oud
above. I'm not sure if they would work with that config, Edward. And yes, they work as well or better than well-fit wood pegs. They also have a gear
reduction, so fine tuning is quite easy.
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I have come across three similar peg products. One is called knilling perfection pegs and the newer one is by Wittner (I think called Finetune). And
the last one is Japanese made by Gotoh. I think it's called miracle pegs. I haven't looked recently but these are cheaper and work on the same
principle. I couldn't find a place to buy the Gotoh version but their website has it listed and could potentially sell you sets.
As far as Edward's peghead goes, Mike Doolin has used it on a harp guitar. I have seen harp guitars that use the pegheds (for weight issues vs
metallic tuners).
http://www.doolinguitars.com/jazzhg.html
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Edward Powell
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Thanks so much! I REALLY REALLY need fine tuners with my new set up... I am now using very light steel strings and the fine tuning is murder with
normal pegs.
I know Mike, and just wrote him now - hopefully he can set me straight.
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On steel strings, you can use fine tuners too (the violin type). I use the ones made by wittner on my setar and baglama. Won't work on nylon (too
stretchy). They can help you get to exact pitch. I posted a video on youtube about it but I put up a picture here. These things have the advantage
that they are cheap and work marvelously.
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Edward Powell
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great!
but do you think my head might be a bit too crowded for them to work??
how much are they actually? ...and what is the link to that youtube clip - sounds interesting!
thanks!!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Edward Powell
but do you think my head might be a bit too crowded for them to work??
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Well. It's up to you. You get used to the look quickly.
I guess it comes down to functionality vs aesthetics. You don't have to use them on all strings. From my own experience, thicker strings can be tuned
much easier. I am not even sure if these would work on larger gauges. They work great on those renegade pegs/strings. That's why I use them. They
don't weight much either.
You can find them here:
http://elderly.com/accessories/cats/VPPG.html
And here is the link to my explanation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4xWGz4OnHo
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Edward Powell
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THANKS SO MUCH for BOTH links!
I know for a fact I NEED fine tuning! ....and now it seems I have two options.
GREAT!
ps- the main problem I see with the violin fine tuners is that it would be pretty awkward to get my hand between the two heads to adjust the fine
tuners - because the second head is very close.
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Wow those things are so freaking cool!
I never knew such things exist.
I don't really need them as my pegs are okay, but really this just took my breath away. Genius.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Edward Powell
ps- the main problem I see with the violin fine tuners is that it would be pretty awkward to get my hand between the two heads to adjust the fine
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As long as you can turn that top screw, you're fine. The string tension keeps the string straight. I have even knocked the tuners to the side and it
kept in tune.
If your instrument is floating bridge, you can also put them at the other end.
I remember a banjo maker using material from a home improvement store to make his one plastic version. His website is gone unfortunately.
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Edward Powell
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Peyman
If your instrument is floating bridge, you can also put them at the other end.
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REALLY!?
yes mine is floating! this can really be the answer then! 
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