Manil
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WANT TO BUY
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bibo10
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Hello friend,
I am new to the oud world as well, but i have been listening for a long
time, however recently i started playing. if you are looking for a good
arabic oud, you should try Fathy Amin ouds. he is an egyptian oud maker,
very very famous, you can search his name on the forum to check some of his
work. many great arabic artists own his ouds. I recently bought an oud
from him and I absolutely love it, it's a joy to play and it is crafted very
well with good woods.
It is hard to contact the maker himself, but there is a middle man that I
bought the oud from, Dr. Atef Abd El Hamed, a oud teacher at the Cairo Opera
House. He is a very nice man. And even though you are dealing through a
middle man, you are still paying a very reasonable price for the oud. You
should contact him, he will send you pictures and videos of the oud. and it
should take no more than 4-5 days in shipping!
His email is: atefabdelhameed@yahoo.com
Good luck and feel free to ask if you have any questions
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Michael-GOD BLESS EGYPT
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Aymara
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Hi Clode,
welcome to the forums!
I'm not astonished, there are real pros at work, be it musicians or sound engineers. I tried to find out, what oud he plays, but so far I had no
luck.
| Quote: | | I am looking for a good instrument that I will use mainly in studio. |
Then a concert or even grand concert oud might be the way to go, but these babies are expensive ... 2000€ upward.
If you are looking for ouds in this league, I think we should mention Faruk Türünz ... do you know Joseph Tawadros? He plays a Türünz arabic oud with double soundboard. Or do you know Trio Joubran? One of these three brothers, Wissam, is a luthier too ... check THIS out.
Further famous luthiers, well known for their high quality, are Nazi Ghadban and Maurice Shehata.
"And resellers?", you might ask. Forget it, if you're looking for concert quality ... that's my opinion.
But ... I think even for 1000€ or a bit more, you'll get a fantastic instrument ... just search around the forums a bit ... Michael Moussa would be one example.
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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ExtreamTarab
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welcome to the oud world...Check your U2U
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whisperoftheoud
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hi ,
We are selling our ouds all over the world and we have a lot of customers from canada.
We are making only proffessional ouds.
Please check our web site :
http://www.turkishouds.com
http://www.myspace.com/turkishouds
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sazdervish
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Hey,
I have a seven stringed Egyptian oud. Naseer Shamma design. Made by Usta (master craftsman) Ajeeb in Egypt. Ajeeb is one of two oud makers in Egypt
that Naseer uses. I am here in Seattle Washington, USA. Where in Canada are you? If you are on the west coast, then we are really close to each other.
I am asking for $1200 without shipping.
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alfaraby
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In Canada dear you've got the most talented luthier in northern America SA`AD ALTAYYAR in Montreal/ Canada. Search here in this forum
to see his masterpieces .
But if you're about to import an oud from the Arab world, try Fadi Matta from Lebanon & you'd not regret it. He's one of the
best living luthiers now in the Arab world, if not in the whole world. His finish is astonishing & the sound is sublime. His prices though are
fair enough + - 1500 $.
Good Luck !
Yours indeed
Alfaraby
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fernandraynaud
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Edolc: Welcome!
1) Turkish and Arabic differ in construction and timbre, Turkish ouds are smaller, shorter scale, as well as being tuned 1 note higher. They tend to
be better finished and more costly. It's a different aesthetic. There are many different oud types, including ones that share some of the properties
of these two main families.
2) In the studio we have MORE control rather than less. The concert player is very concerned with appearance, status, as well as tone. It can be
successfully argued that a studio-oriented musician hardly needs a boutique instrument made of rare materials with a chi-chi finish. It does take some
time to develop an opinion as to what is important to you, and this Forum is a great place to start. Unless you have money to spare, it's very
important you spend some time learning about ouds, the mentality of the community, and hearing/playing different instruments.
Moussa I hear gets ouds from Fathy Amin, you can compare ouds on their respective web sites, and is in the UK anyway. Nothing sinful with this, but it
seems Shehata and Ghadban have become perhaps significantly oriented to Western boutique aesthetic (and pricing). One look at Shehata's store gives
you an idea. Read up about timbre and "issues" on the Forum. No question these are fine ouds, but for all that, if the soundboard settles, or you need
to level the fingerboard, you still have to redo the neck to set the action.
Alfaraby wisely suggested Faddi Matha. Listen to some of his ouds on YouTube, they are excellent. He is one of only two oud makers whose instruments
have an adjustable action, Sukar being the other. For me, being able to change the action without demolishing/rebuilding the neck, is more important
than e.g. the finish, especially since the action significantly affects the timbre.
I'm going to stick my neck out, why not, it's just one guy's opinion? Since I'm not crazy about Turkish timbre, I'm leaving those out. There are
countless good luthiers and great ouds out there, but each one is different, and an adventure you may or may not be ready for. If the price is OK with
you Faddi Matha is what I would humbly suggest. If not, I would get a Sukar, they range from around $500 to under $1000. The Fathy Amins (through Dr.
Atef Abd El Hamed) seem excellent, several good people here have them, and reasonable, but in part because of the action adjustment issue, I opted for
Sukar. A bit spartan for those with a baroque taste, but versatile, strong-voiced and reliable.
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Manil
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Alfaraby wisely suggested Faddi Matha. Listen to some of his ouds on YouTube, they are excellent. He is one of only two oud makers whose instruments
have an adjustable action, Sukar being the other. For me, being able to change the action without demolishing/rebuilding the neck, is more important
than e.g. the finish, especially since the action significantly affects the timbre.
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Add Hassan Hamza to this category, mine is like this, fine oud also.
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Aymara
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I never heard of him ... can you tell us a bit more? Where is he located? Any photos available of his ouds?
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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fernandraynaud
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Here is a Ghadban oud you can listen to:
http://www.redaaouad.com/my-oud-playing/my-oud-playing-download
Manil: please show us the neck adjustment mechanism on your Hassan Hamza!
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fernandraynaud
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Adjustable actions
A little action adjustment, and side-effects, on a traditional oud 
The Fadi Matta way: 
Video demo here
The action height is not just a matter of player comfort. Listen carefully. Notice how the high action sounds decidedly more "Arabic", low
action more "Turkish". This is most pronounced if the fingerboard surface is a very hard wood (or hardened by coating), and of course it must
be quite level. It seems one of the elements of the classical Arabic sound is a relatively softer/rougher fingerboard and a higher action.
The Sukar way: 
Above we see the nesting for all 3 rods in the Sukar neck, one threaded for the wing-nut, two thinner "stabilizing rockers" seen in cross-section
below. The neck cannot twist, and "hinges" on the stabilizing rods as you tighten/loosen the wing-nut. The typical adjustment range is 2-4 millimeters
of string height at the neck-body junction, with 3 mm being the factory setting.
At 2.5 mm, the timbre has that "zing" that is reminiscent of a Turkish oud. Above 3.5 mm the Arabic timbre takes over. It's quite interesting reaching
into the bowl, making a small adjustment and pulling the instrument up on the map into Turkey, or down south towards Cairo. Sukars have their own
sound and the transformation is of course not 100% complete. Different Sukar models also have different tones.
One nice thing about the Sukar method is that it is completely invisible unless you know what to look for: the tiny metal head on the back of the
neck. Nothing to get in the way as you play.
The new Sukar "intermediate" scale at 600mm can all the more easily "flip" using the same strings. Unlike "modernizations" that ruin the instrument,
like machine tuning gears, saddles, different shapes, I personally feel neck adjustment is a capability that can be invisible, and that no oud should
be without, especially where the cost of repairs is high. It seems some very fine traditional ouds have long been settling and degenerating until
their masters take them in for a neck job. I hope more oud-makers will adopt some sort of adjustment mechanism.
Does anyone know: are all Fadi Mattas fitted with the adjustment wheels?
Any other makers' adjustable necks? Photos, please!!!
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Manil
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I am moving this week, I'll post pics later next week sorry.
Hassan Hamza is a maker in Syria not far away from Alepo ExtremeTarab knows him better than me.
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fernandraynaud
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Best feelings in the new place! I am very curious to see your photos. Does anyone else have photos of the Hassan Hamza ouds? Is there a similar
mechanism as on the Sukars?
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spyros mesogeia
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In a couple of weeks I will have a Dimitris Rapakousios brand new oud available for sale my friend.
Let me know if you are interested.
Best Regards
Spyros
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please send your email
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spyros mesogeia
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dburhan
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I just bought a Hassan Hamza Oud and I must say this Oud maker is by far the best. I have seen Ouds made by almost all of the famous makers around the
worls but no one comes close to the quality produced by this maker.
I will post a photo of this Oud soon with a sound sample.
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spyros mesogeia
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I am sure that you can aford my friend to play and buy ouds from ALL THE GOOD MAKERS in the world,.
If that is not a joke what it is?????
It's atleast insulting to all the other luthiers and oudplayers.
What you like is something personal,what I like is something is something personal also,each flower has his own parfume....
Sometimes we have to think before to speak....
Regards to all members
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dburhan
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I said I have seen Ouds but I cannot afford and I am not interested to buy Ouds from all makers. I am sure that there are a lot of good Oud makers but
I reaaly liked the quality of the Ouds made by this Syrian Oud maker (Hassan Hamza). I have also seen several great Ouds made by Saad Al Taiar who
lives in Montreal.
I had several Sukar Ouds and they were very good too.
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spyros mesogeia
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