suz_i_dil
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advice for setar: right hand and fret tuning
Hello,
may someone help me for beginning setar:
is there a nice video to show the correct right hand position?
Also I remember there was a website with a tuner for each fret ,but cannot find again the link. Does someone know this site?
Thank you.
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Sazi
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There's lot's of stuff here...
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=setar&aq=0
User "goodcyrus" has some lessons, and there are many vidz of good players to watch their techniques.
Good luck.
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suz_i_dil
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Ahh...Alizadeh, I love his playing!
Thanks for the link, anyone about this fret tuner?
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Ali
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I use these 3-pages from Alizadeh book ,to give to my students for holding Setar, Left hand , and right hand as best referance to always fallow.
Holding Setar:
http://www.mediafire.com/?9z9dimqy6ccyb7z
Left hand:
http://www.mediafire.com/?2hpwv2ws7o8z4ej
Right Hand:
http://www.mediafire.com/?4816ceszw4zf3aq
Good Luck
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suz_i_dil
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nice, thank you.
I'll post something something if I succeed to get use to this fingering technic, it would be nice to get your opinion about if you don't mind.
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suz_i_dil
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By the way Ali, I think to understand rast stroke on setar is from down to up, and up to down on a tar.
Am I correct?
Thanks
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I bought a special tuner for Persian Music. It's called Rohab tuner. It plays all the microtones, in addition to other functions. But I just recently
read that a company is putting out a tuner software for ethnic instruments. I think if you do a search you might find it.
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Yes suz_i_dil , That is correct
In Setar , right stroke is Down to up and Left stroke is Up to down and it
is the opposite of Tar and oud .
Also try to tune your setar 1-1/2 or even 2 notes lower than standard
440Hz tuner ,and you will see ,it sounds a lot better.
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suz_i_dil
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Hi
I'm getting a problem with the frets, several getting loose since I brought it back from Iran.
The frets always need to be retune, which is a bit annoying.
Is this an usual problem, I mean the setar is only 3 months old, and it may come from the change of weather. In this case, to change the frets, did
you tried nylon (like fishing line), and what gauge to use? Or do you definitely recommend gut frets.
Or did you heard of the result of a metal fretting by a luthier, which would solve definitely the problem? In this case is there a link to give him
the perfect tuning for those frets?
Thank you for your help
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I think this may be the page you were looking for, Suz_i_dil:
http://www.setar.info/index.php?option=com_content&view=article...
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suz_i_dil
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Ah perfect...Thank you Sasha, it was this one I was looking for some time.
Any opinion on the frets getting loosen so early?
Do you think it is coming for the change of hygrometry, or may it be a structural problem I didn't noticed while purchasing it?
Thanks
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Peyman
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Your frets might have been tied a long time ago. Real gut frets will fall apart relatively fast. Also, if you keep moving them, they will fall apart
quickly. I started using nylon frets a long time ago because of this particular frustration. There is no doubt the frets will affect the sound. My
friend who is an avid setar player said that he liked the sound of nylon frets. So it's really up to you. I like mine. Keep in mind that they also
feel different. I use .021 and .023 fishing lines (that's American gauge, so you need to convert). Buy the cheapest lines because they are not
flexible and won't become loose when you form the frets. I use omniflex monofilament.
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suz_i_dil
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Thank you Peyman for this advice, you answered my whole question. I'll get a try to those nylon fishing line.
Just a precision, to make conversion, does this gauge refer to the exact size in inches?
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Peyman
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You're welcome. I think the gauges are in inches. So 0.021 is about .05 centimeter or .5 milimeter. I think Turkish baglamas use a .4 mm. Remember the
line thickness affects the height of your fret. If you hear buzzing, you need to use a thinner line on the next fret and so on. I hope I am making
sense. Use the slightly thicker ones at the nut end, towards the peghead and the thinner towards the bridge.
Anyway, fishing line is usually cheap so you can get a few sets of varying gauges and see what combination works best for you. Once you do it, you
don't need to change frets for quite a few years. Mine have lasted about 5 years. I replaced the frets as they became ripped.
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You are perfectly clear. Thanks for all those advice, think I will pretty much enjoy my setar once this adjustement make.
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In case you dont have any gut to refret, you can try sticking in the ends of wooden matches under the frets to stop them from moving.
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suz_i_dil
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I thought of this solution but it may become uncomfortable to play. Did you use this on your setar?
Anyway, I prefer to have a regular fretting of the neck. With nylon and those youtube videos explaining how to refret I think it would be ok.
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