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FLIPAX
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Hey Saz and Tony!
I edited the Thread questions. I Think its Ok Now I've put also a Video.
Please Read The Beginning Post.
Thannks.
Later I will add some Pictures of the 4 Rishas I Used.
Keep Checking This POST.
BTW on the videos I'm not tapping on the soundboard like Tony said earlier to get the "snap" sound. This Is Just normal Plucked.
Cheers
Philip
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Ararat66
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Hi Philip
Well first of all you are doing well - you are geting some nice pace and energy and consistency going in your risha technique, particularly the
triplets etc.
What would be useful would be if you could zoom out a bit so we could see the movement of your right arm - as this effects tone big-time (its not just
the risha its the arm, wrist and hand too )
BTW I liked the sound and feel of risha number 2 best !!
Cheers
Leon
Cheers
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FLIPAX
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Quote: Originally posted by Ararat66  | Hi Philip
Well first of all you are doing well - you are geting some nice pace and energy and consistency going in your risha technique, particularly the
triplets etc.
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Big Thanks Leon!
I'm Scared Btw Bec It was my First Video Upload in Youtube. I'm Glad You Like It! and I was Having an headache when I record that Thing.
Are u talking about the Pyramid Pro Medium Risha?
I do Like It also. Its Sounds Good and Powerful But still flexible enough to bounce back after it was plucked.
Happy Holidays & Eid Mubarak my Friend!
Cheers
Philip
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Aymara
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Hi Philip,
in my oppinion the transparent risha sounds best. The lightest Pyramid is the worst.
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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Hello, Philip,
All of this is very personal, but now I have a better understanding of what you are after. I think your oud has a specific sound due to the saddle on
the bridge, so it sounds a bit like a floating bridge crossed with a Turkish. It seems that maybe you would prefer a deeper Arabian tone. So you have
to tone down the sharpness or exchange it for another oud. I do hear the "buzzy timbre" on the nylon strings, and I'm not sure what it is, it's
certainly nicer than the typical sound of nylons on a floating bridge.
As to the risha, my first impression is that the thick nylon sounds best on this oud. It also sounds like YOU like the nylon the best, but don't like
getting hung up on the strings. That's easy to solve by shaping it. The sound has a lot to do with the material, but the playability has mostly to do
with the shape. If you shape it the same as the Pyramids, or like what you see on my photos, so you start the tremolo with point A above the strings,
it won't catch on the strings any more, and the timbre will be that of nylon, warmer and fatter than the celluloid.
There are nylon rishas in my photo below, 2 and 7 are nylon for sure, and I think the yellow number 3 is also nylon, but not certain. They are all
shaped so as to tremolo smoothly. Nylon doesn't sound as good on my ouds as Delrin and horn.
If I were you, I would try cow horn as well, because it's hard to predict how it will sound, but with the right shape for your situation,
probably thicker but still with sharp edges, it could work out. I think that what we hear as click with the Pyramids is a mixture of "plastic on
plastic" with the actual pluck, and you might like one without the other. I don't think it's always possible to get all the best parts of the sound
together, for instance you might have to accept a little less volume to get a richer timbre, but if I wasn't enchanted with the sound I got, I'd keep
trying different materials and shapes, even odd things like shoe sole leather (I have seen leather plectra for harpsichords).
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FLIPAX
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Hi! Mr Tony!
Thanks for the understanding my friend!
| Quote: Originally posted by fernandraynaud |
I think your oud has a specific sound due to the saddle on the bridge, so it sounds a bit like a floating bridge crossed with a Turkish.
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I Like How The Saddles react to the strings when u plucked it. Creating a Unique Sound I Suppose. Dont worry I Like This Sound. And It may seem to
sound like a floating bridge crossed w/ a turkish due to my camera when it records it creates a treble spike on it.
| Quote: Originally posted by fernandraynaud |
I do hear the "buzzy timbre" on the nylon strings, and I'm not sure what it is, it's certainly nicer than the typical sound of nylons on a floating
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Thanks
Your Advise really Helps a Lot!
Now I Need to order some delrin and horn rishas. Can U give me the Link where u bought your cow horn and delrin? I hope they ship here in dubai.
So far I'm Using the nylons and it sounds pretty good. Getting used to it.
Shape and Material really helps. And Finding w/c one's work for me.
I'm Trying to avoid now this material. Less plastic the better Sound.
Thanks 4 this tip.
BTW Tony did u experience changing your strings to copper bronze? Instead of silver plated? I'm just talking behalf on the wound strings?
I have tried it before on my old oud and it sounds more earthly and warmer compare to other silver plated wounds. It also eliminates a bit of
scratching sound.
Any Comments on Copper Bronze wound strings? Sound? Advantages or disadvantages? Anybody?
Salamat
Philip
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For this purpose I wish flatwound instead of only roundwound strings would be available for oud, but as it seems ... no chance so far.
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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FLIPAX
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| Quote: Originally posted by Aymara |
For this purpose I wish flatwound instead of only roundwound strings would be available for oud, but as it seems ... no chance so far.
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Flat wounds will be Awesome! It's very interesting to use them. But I dont think they will make especially for oud.
Cheers bud!
Philip
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"Naseem Al Rooh"
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