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Good idea Sazi, I hope it will end up with some project.
may be we could play the same song like Bint Chalabya for example.
but in this case we should have the same tuning...
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Bit busy at the moment, but this is getting really interesting, a lot of good ideas, and a lot of details to consider, keep the idea's flowing and I'm
sure we can come up with a few workable projects.
All the best, S
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There are all sorts of ways you could pass on a piece of music, one could be just that that the last few phrases of one piece inspire the start of
another piece so they flow together but have different sections like a musical Chinese Whispers.
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Interesting one, but with a different level of recording it's gonna be horrible...
What about
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The other is to simply compile a series of sound files by members and draw them together in themes as you said ie Maqam etc.
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first ?
It would be a cliché of nowadays oud players. It would be really interesting from an ethno-musicology point of view too.
As I read it before some are interesting by songs, so what about a double CD, one centered on maqamat and one on songs. I'm sure we've got material
here...
I repeat myself, but without the same equipment to record ourself it's going to be difficult to do something together simultaneously. And if some of
us have the right equipment to record themselves they will let the others on the lowside of the road. All together or just some small groups ? That's
also a point to discuss ! At the end, through my point of view (global), I would say that the money we could earn would help us to buy a recording
equipment through an association we could create for this purpose and send someone around the world to record us with the same quality. Like "Playing
For Change" (Hey Philip, did you see the oud in the right side  ) or "Crossing The
Bridge".
About the production I know a couple of sites which sell books on demand (http://www.lulu.com/fr/index.php), does anyone know the same about CDs ?
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I repeat myself, but without the same equipment to record ourself it's going to be difficult to do something together simultaneously.
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The above mentioned Reaper software would help here, because it's shareware and really powerful.
But everybody would need a good microphone or pickup ... how many have that? Only a few.
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David.B
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Yes Chris, the first problem is the microphone (or pickup)... It's more expensive than a oud !
I use this one and it's far away from pro mic. Do you have a pro one ?
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No, not yet. I'm planning to buy a professional audio interface to be able to do professional recordings with Reaper. Then I will be able to use my
12-string guitar, which has a very good pickup.
Regarding the oud, I'm a bit undecided, if I should use a good mic (a pro one needs phantom power) or a pickup instead ... the later has the
advantage, that you have less problems with unwanted background "noise" for example from the neighbour's childs, etc..
Greetings from Germany
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David.B
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Yes, I know this problem, some birds sing on my recordings... could be seen as a charming stuff too
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Birds, yes ... a romantic touch ... but not neighbour's children crying Maaaama
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I'm just discovering this thread.
So just a short message to say I would be interested in participating.
Thank you Sazi for this idea!
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That's great, we'll wait for a bit more input and a few more ideas, keep thinking about it everyone, & we'll make it happen.
Yes there are a lot of technical considerations to consider, I'll keep my thinking cap on and see what solutions I can think of.
For those of us without a lot of cash to splash, as Chris says, Reaper is definitely the way to go as far as sequencers are concerned, the bundled
plug-ins aren't too shabby and it has a decent time-stretch algorithm to overcome any slight tuning/timing discrepancies.
As far as interfaces go, I'm in the same boat, as I had to sell mine to finance another oud, so I'm looking at some of the cheapish options out there,
one of which is one of the many new and relatively cheap usb mic solutions, no interface needed, not sure if there are any 24bit ones though, the ones
I've seen have been 16bit, which is a bit poor these days.
Another option for those with access to a decent mic is the Shure usb mic interface, plug your mic into it and plug it into your usb port and Bob's
your aunty's live-in lover.
A good common recording file format would be the standard broadcast wav, 24bit / 48kHz I think.
Hey David, those little sony stereo mic's sound really good mounted inside the oud,- if you have open sound-holes that is,- I tried one on a borrowed
zoom H2, in a few different positions in the room, ranging from a few cm to a few metres, after being not too happy about any of the test recordings,
in desperation I hung the mic inside my oud and that was the best sound by far!
More input!
Cheers, S
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David.B
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Hi Sazi, I few years ago I saw this product :
http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=products.main&ID=e7cb91494b...
I'm completely lost about technology and I preferred to wait instead of wasting money. In fact I've got to invest in almost everything from the
computer (mine are dinosaurs) to the mic. And to stick on mic, I'm going to try to hang my ECM-DS70P inside the oud, I'm wondering about the c strings
and shocks... let's see !
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| Quote: Originally posted by Sazi | ..., as Chris says, Reaper is definitely the way to go as far as sequencers are concerned, the bundled plug-ins aren't too shabby ...
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Reaper is cheap (especially for private use) and very powerful ... and it's more than just a sequencer ... it's a complete virtual studio (DAW =
digital audio workstation). The VST plugins (e.g. reverb and delay) are great, but virtual instruments are missing. A good source for free VSTi is HERE ... some of them sound really professional.
Fact is, with a good microphone and a good audio interface, you can produce songs in CD quality.
| Quote: | | A good common recording file format would be the standard broadcast wav, 24bit / 48kHz I think. |
In Reaper I use the Bounce option to export my songs to 32bit WAV and convert them later to standard CD format WAV in Audacity.
The M-Audio interfaces have a very good reputation for home recording.
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That's a nice little interface, at a good price too!
Join the club!
| Quote: Originally posted by Aymara | | ... and it's more than just a sequencer ... it's a complete virtual studio (DAW = digital audio workstation). |
I mean sequencer not in the old-school step sequencer way, it is a common term for what you call daw's., to me a daw is just what it say's... a
digital audio workstation, which implies that it is the whole system, computer, interface, control surface, kbd etc.... the recording software itself
is known as a sequencer.
No matter, we are talking about the same thing here.
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In Reaper I use the Bounce option to export my songs to 32bit WAV and convert them later to standard CD format WAV in Audacity.
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I prefer to record in 32bit float, which is how my sequencer processes audio internally, thus giving the highest possible quality then export to
whatever file format is needed for the job, most jobs I do require Broadcast wav format, and it is handy for dvd's, it can be dithered down to 16bit
for cd.
Well, at least we're on the right track here, ('scuse the pun)
Cheers, S
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I've just tried my mic inside the oud, no problem with the strings and there are no shocks because it's laid on the bottom of the bowl. GREAT SOUND,
that simple, why didn't I think about that before ? Also as you reduce the level of the sound at the enter of the microphone (I use a MD recorder)
there are almost no parasitic noises (no more birds and children ! Not sure about the last one ). The sound is deeper and I hope I'll be able to share it with you on my next recording, I'm waiting for a new set of
Daniel Mari which sounds good and I'll try all the nice material you gave here for something better than I use to do !
SONY ECM-DS70P is really cheap in comparison of a pro mic : 19.99 $ on Amazon ( http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Ecm-ds70p-Mini-Microphone/dp/B00313XRZI/... ).
We are on the right track
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Wow, that price is shocking good. In Germany you can be happy, if you get it below 60€.
Thank god, I have open sound holes
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Chris before you buy I recorded myself on a quick little piece to give to you an idea :
http://www.4shared.com/file/176803365/701b48a3/Bellazi_outside.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/176803390/87e9a0e3/Bellazi_inside.html
This is a Sukar oud Mod. 1 with Kürshner and to be honest I'm a bit disappointed, the sound is a bit blocked. I felt something better with my Sukar
Model 8 with Daniel Mari, I heard my fingers on the strings from the inside and it gave a bluesy touch... BTW you can invest it won't ruin you
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Thanks ... very helpful.
| Quote: | | ... I'm a bit disappointed, the sound is a bit blocked. |
I'm not astonished ... we shouldn't forget, that this is an entry level mic with a limited frequency range, especially overtones are missing ... no
wonder, 15 kHz is the limit.
The outside recording sounds more natural, though here the bass is a bit flat.
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For 20$ it's a good first start, but for nearly 70€ like in some German shops, it's massively overpriced ... I think there are better mics available
at that price, aren't there?
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dogaicincal
here is another one:
http://www.dogaicincal.com/divaneasikgibi.html
a simple repeating tune and lots of room for improvisation. a similar one with ouds would be nice...
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David.B
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... Yes, but the same equipment served for everyone. Also in the same country it sounds realizable (a car with your equipment and let's go), but from
all around the world 
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Sorry i just jumped in here, so i'm missing base info. Regarding mics, I don't think it's a problem with the quality of the $19 mic, it has more to do
with how to use it, and "ambience". Inside the bowl you have none. You need a sense of separation, of space. Random is usually good. You can also
synthetically create spaces in post-production with DSP. And you can pre-process a specific economy mic to sound like a famous mic. Just about any mic
that is not noisy is capable of sounding very very good.
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mrkmni
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So what is the world's project?
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| Quote: Originally posted by fernandraynaud | | You can also synthetically create spaces in post-production with DSP. And you can pre-process a specific economy mic to sound like a famous mic. Just
about any mic that is not noisy is capable of sounding very very good. |
DSP, pre-processing, a bit abstract but it make sense. I need to learn and I realize my lack of knowledge about that... I'm going to concentrate on
maqamat, otherwise it's like putting the cart before the horse. When I'll able to play something good I'll check out a good way to record myself.
Before that something tells me that I'm going to stick on my MD recorder for a while
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If your PC has a Line-In you could transfer your MD recordings to your PC and experminent with post processing like EQ, reverb, delay, etc..
Sorry for repeating myself, but Reaper is of great help here ... you also could use it as a virtual Darbuka player. I myself like to combine my oud
with virtual Tablas and other instruments.
Playing with a virtual band is not the same as playing with real musicians, but definitly more fun than playing alone
Give it a try 
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Yes Chris, it sounds great. I've got to record myself on Nakriz and I wonder... I use recording as an exam before I keep going, I don't want to stick
so much on aesthetic right now, I know that I'm going to "play" computer more than oud in this case
| Quote: Originally posted by Aymara | | you also could use it as a virtual Darbuka player. I myself like to combine my oud with virtual Tablas and other instruments. |
I'm a bit afraid with virtual instruments or recordings on multi-pistes because I can feel a sort of emptiness, no real osmosis between the different
instruments. But I'm not obtuse and I'll give it a try 
(Also, if I think twice, JamMan would be my next invest : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb9qkJ_7jK8)
BTW, "I myself like to combine my oud with virtual Tablas and other instruments", you said it, I hope you'll show us what you can do with your
equipment and softwares
We might stick on the subject a bit more with examples...
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All you need is to download Reaper and buy a good microphone and an audio interface like the ones from M-Audio ... than you have all you need to beat
this JamMan ... whatever it is
With Reaper you can produce songs in HiFi quality.
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As soon as I have my audio interface and microphone ... buying the oud and christmas killed my bank account
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