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John Erlich
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Do they play the kobza at all in Greece? I saw one hanging on the wall in a bar/restaurant in Veria (AKA "Bereoa") in Macedonia. I wondered what the
heck it was and took a photo. And to think: I'm 1/4 Hungarian on both sides of my family and knew nothing about it until today!
Yassas,
Udi John
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Koya
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Hi folks,
John, could you share with us your photo?
In this year I wasn`t the moldavian music camp.
I took the picture about the web site of Moldavian musicans.
http://www.moldvahon.hu/newslist.php?categoryID=10
My friends recorded some music. It will be in that site soon.
I `ll write here the link.
Bye: Koya
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John Erlich
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I'll try to find the photo, but I would have to scan it first. (Did not have a digital camera at the time).
Best,
Udi John
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Koya
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New CD with solo cobza
Hi folks,
I would like recommend a new solo cobza material.
http://www.etnofon.hu/Ivanovics_Fabri_ang.htm
Tünde Ivánovics – Géza Fábri
Save as...
'Csángó' – Hungarian folk songs from Moldva resung
Folk music, the authentic folk song emerges from within them, comes to life, and they support it’s viability with great anxiety. They draw from the
spring of Moldva - from the music of Külsőrekecsin, Klézse, Trunk, Gyoszény, Lujzikalagor and Pusztina – while they feel obliged to add to
this stream.
They search for the natural joins of the melodies, to let them soar even against the current.
The master of the lute playfully presents the duality of his instrument, it’s melodious and accompanying role. He thus opens up an entire gallery of
tools used by lute players during the course of musical production.
They declare that this seed will always shoot new buds, for it bursts out of nature’s minimalistic principles, just as the masterpiece of the
melody, the birth of which will hold mysteries one can perhaps never unravel.
They aim to save a very sincere world as it’s renewal. Thier songs and lute-music speak of a passing world, depicting the Eden of Moldva in
virtuosity of ornaments, but symultaneously giving a confession about their own inner selves. Thus, they resound our Hungarian csángó songs from
Moldva, and the unique harmony of their music recalls the past by projecitng it into the future.
Order info:
http://www.etnofon.hu/start.html
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kasos
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Thanks, Koya, for sharing the latest from this group. Geza Fabri is a marvel, and he and the female lead singer (Tunde Ivanovics, I think?) have a
wonderful way with ballads, particularly.
I'm still hoping there might be some way to get some tidbits in English about the texts to the songs, particularly the one you posted (with Geza
Fabri) on the first page of this thread. I find myself fairly welling up with emotion when I hear it, and would like to satisfy my curiosity by
finding out what it is I'm getting worked up about....
I know that text is theoretically a big part of the impact of any song, but in some cultures this is perhaps more so than others (who really listens
to the lyrics in North American pop tunes, anyway?). I've come to appreciate that Greek songs are very text orientated, and I'm going to guess that
these might be also, being from somewhat the same part of the world. Please don't knock yourself out, even a little bit of the subject matter, or a
characteristic line or two would be great. I'm a bit of a song writer, and cut my teeth on Quebec (French) folk music, where they also tend to care
rather deeply about these things.... Ironically, the Quebecois, like the Moldavian Hungarians, also got isolated early on from the mother country, and
their music harkens back to the homeland's musical styles of several centuries ago.
Thanks, Mark
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L'arbre est dans ses feuilles marilons marilé.. L'arbre est dans ses feuilles marillon don dé. hehehe
Do you know this Québecois song? I lived in montreal all my life and I can definetly relate to what your saying.
Au plaisir
SAmir
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kasos
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I certainly do recognize it - it's a must when I bring out the accordion at Festival time.... Take care, Mark
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Koya
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Cobsa course:
Master course of Geza Fabri
9-10-11 November 2005.
Hungary- Szeged
more info: jelesnapok@wire.hu
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kritikokasiotis
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Koya
This is the electric type of cobza: |
Ooh nice very nice
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billkilpatrick
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what a stunning thread! thank you so much for posting those beautiful, absolutely hair-raising mp3's.
on some of the cobzas i've seen there's a triangular piece of the sound board missing, near where the neck and fingerboard connects to the bowl, on
the upper side. could you please explain why this is?
many, many thanks - bill
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Koya
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Hello!
I heard that this hole has no function, people who lives the music put in some money....
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Koya
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Koya
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Hello,
A picute from Hungary from '60-s. Hungarian cobza player who moved from Moldva (Romania).
Bye.
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sydney
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How
Hi Koya 
Thanks for sharing all these lovely info man.
I am wondering how many strings in the Cobza? Are they doubled? how do you tune it? Do you use rish for it - if yes ... what does it look like?
Where do you get strings for it?
Many questions I know ...
Thanks
Kind Regards,
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Emad
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Koya
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Hi Sydney,
We will meet in Sydney soon, I will show you my instrument.
I know about 4 tunings. I have 2 cobzas I am using AEAD tuning when I am accompaining violin and flute. The higher
C-G-C-F is very good for accompain women sing.
D-G-D-A
A-E-A-D
E-A-D-G (like an bass guitar)
C-G-C-F
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sydney
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Wow
| Quote: | Originally posted by Koya
Hi Sydney,
We will meet in Sydney soon, I will show you my instrument.
I know about 4 tunings. I have 2 cobzas I am using AEAD tuning when I am accompaining violin and flute. The higher
C-G-C-F is very good for accompain women sing.
D-G-D-A
A-E-A-D
E-A-D-G (like an bass guitar)
C-G-C-F |
That is very interesting. I can not wait to meet you Koya.
Take care
Kind Regards,
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Emad
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Koya
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Hi folks,
Living folk music with cobza. Some pictures ...
2005 augustus Moldva (Romania)
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Koya
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Moldavian folk music
2005.
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Koya
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Moldva Somoska 2005
2005
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Koya
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Moldavian folk
http://www.moldvahon.hu/files/49/386/aurel_01_sereny_magyaros.mp3
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Koya
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Bolya Matyi
This guy is Matyas Bolya an very talented hungarian cobza player with an beautiful instrument
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Koya
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Moldavian folk music
MMatyas Bolya on cobza and Aurel Mandache on violin.
http://www.moldvahon.hu/files/49/382/aurel_01_bakoi_szerba.mp3
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billkilpatrick
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Koya
... I know about 4 tunings. I have 2 cobzas I am using AEAD tuning when I am accompaining violin and flute. The higher
C-G-C-F is very good for accompain women sing.
D-G-D-A
A-E-A-D
E-A-D-G (like an bass guitar)
C-G-C-F |
wow indeed koya - fabulous music and right in line with how medieval european music might also be played.
i've only found one on-line source for cobsa so far - hora - and haven't read any favorable reviews for their instrument. are there other on-line
sources?
regards - bill
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sydney
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Hello Robi
Good to hear from you my friend,
I hope you and your wife are doing well back home.
Thanks for that lovely music.
Keep in touch mate.
Emad
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Koya
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Sydney
Hello Emad,
I sent an e-mail to you.
Thank you very much for your oud lessons in Sydney. It was fundamental learning for a beginner. I will always keep your advices.
I am very happy to be your friend.
Bye: Robi
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Koya
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Bill,
The cobzas of Romanian 'HORA' Instrument Factory are one of the best ones, I myself also have one of their instruments. There are not so many other
sources of buying cobzas, although there are some other Hungarian cobza makers, too.
They are also at very friendly prices.
If you have any questions, I will try to help.
Have a nice day,
koya
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