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[*] posted on 9-19-2008 at 08:27 AM


Nice oud and lovely, well balanced sound ALAMI.
Did you use the gut string set? If so, could you provide more information about the strings, gauge, string length, pitch tension etc. etc.
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[*] posted on 9-19-2008 at 09:02 AM


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Originally posted by ALAMI
Thanks Oud Freak for the pics, it is a beautiful oud in perfect condition, the body seems narrow in comparison to mine which is very large (38.5 cm).

The rosette design is interesting and unique: the design is asymmetrical and the patterns are very uncommon.

Thanks for the pics, it is a great thing that the members here are sometimes able to bring back a master from being forgotten and that we can see and hear their work again.


You are most welcome ALAMI. The oud i posted has a nice sound too despite the strings are somehow old (5 years or stg like that). I find the shape of the bowl very elegant and comfortable for playing.

Cheers!




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[*] posted on 9-19-2008 at 09:28 AM


Thanks Mav, Adel, Samir, John and OF for your kind words.

The oud came with the Aquila light installed by Nazih
and am keeping them tuned a full step down (as they are not really light) and I like the sound.

I was planing to install the gut strings this weekend but I am concerned about the tension on this 63 cm string-length oud.
Gut don't like to be tuned down more than a half step (do they ?) and I am not really sure am getting those online calculators.

The strings I have are polished gut with the following gauges (in hundredth of a mm):

50
60
79
100

What would this translate in terms of tension for 63 cm ?
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[*] posted on 9-19-2008 at 10:33 AM


Hello Alami,

Thanks for the sound clip. Fantastic sounding oud, sweeeeet sounding -- great restoration work. Amazing. Thanks for sharing this adventure with us. Take care and happy playing !

Regards,

Paul
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[*] posted on 9-19-2008 at 12:50 PM


To calculate gut string tensions , there is a 'build it yourself' slide rule (remember those devices before the days of computers - still very useful though!) for free download by Dr. Eph. Segerman of 'Northern Renaissance Instruments' that may be of interest at
http://www.nrinstruments.demon.co.uk/StrCalc.html
Eph. Segerman is a pioneer researcher into early string technology and maker of gut strings.
I also attach for information a table giving the limits of historical gut strings at various string lengths. This table is taken from FoMRHI Comm #3 "Gut Strings", November 1975 by Segerman and Abbott.
The degree of twist affects the flexibility (and breaking point) of the gut. A "Venice Catline" is a kind lute bass string - here assumed to be constructed like a rope rather than simply twisted.
Oud strings were also, historically, made from silk - but that is another can of worms!
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[*] posted on 9-19-2008 at 12:54 PM


Hi Alami
Great playing and lovely sound - what a restoration indeed. Maybe also try Aquila Turkish lights tuned 1/2 step down which may give you the tension you need.
Best wishes
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[*] posted on 9-19-2008 at 02:24 PM


2.8 the max for the strings Alami.....this is an old oud, 63 CM....you MUST be careful with the strings that you are using......Aquila are very good ....but they pull alot .....gut strings too they can be very hard on the instrument....
If you are using pyramid lute string.... I will go for 0.55- 0.57 for the Kardan (C) and 0.73 -0.76 for the nawa.....
also you must play the oud....the sound of this oud will open up in few months time......
Best wishes,
Adel
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