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NICE ONE fernandraynaud! 
I Love this forum!
I tried Also Picks/Plectrum But it did not work especially when I was Playin-a-long or Listening to the masters!
Cheers Chris!
Hope You have a healthy long Life!
Philip
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OK, I have some cable ties to try. They are invariably nylon, so not very different from a common type of reesha. There's a cool Penduit cable tie
model that ends in a wide flat area used to write on to label a cable bundle, and this can make a great plectrum. I'm working on shaping it. But the
usual ones are pretty narrow. Can someone who likes cable ties please show a picture or specify the dimensions of the TieWraps they like?
(p.s. I like how the minimum order on cable ties from Panduit is Qty. 1000).
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Now then
In reply to Fernand
'That is the end of today's report from the reesha front, Rich-in-Reeshas reporting.
Hoping for more pictures from other members!'
Here's my pic ... I was at Kelly's the other day and he has the same set up but without the help of an Olive branch and a Buddha.
Apparently Nizar Rohana said at our workshop earlier this year that it is much harder to find the right risha than the right oud.
I FEEL YOUR PAIN
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I don't have my oud near me, but I use the typical highly narrow ties.
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Quote: Originally posted by Ararat66  |
Apparently Nizar Rohana said at our workshop earlier this year that it is much harder to find the right risha than the right oud.
I FEEL YOUR PAIN
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Thanks Ararat66!
Mr Nizar Rohana also Said that to me on His Last email to Me!
You Are Very Correct my Friend!
I HOPE TO SEE SOME MORE PICTURES! KEEP ADDING GUYS!
Shoukran,
GODBLESS!
Philip
BTW how thick the cable ties Should be?
Every time I Hear The Oud, I fall into a Deep Long Trance of Perpetual Bliss!
"Naseem Al Rooh"
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On mine the forefront is shaped semi circle and it's 0.5mm thick and 5mm wide there ... the rest is thicker and a bit wider.
At first try I thought it's too thin, but now I find it just right ... it helps with tremolo.
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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| Quote: Originally posted by Aymara |
On mine the forefront is shaped semi circle and it's 0.5mm thick and 5mm wide there ... the rest is thicker and a bit wider.
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HI Chris!
Can U upload a Picture of Your Cable tie Risha?
Anybody also using cable ties? How Good Is It?
Thanks
Philip
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"Naseem Al Rooh"
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COW HORN Rishas arrived!
Rich-in-Rishas here, richer than ever! MORE rishas arrived today.
Cable ties are soft nylon, and can be easily shaped, but also wear pretty fast. No problem, just reshape the end.
I find there are two basic ways to use any risha. Pluck-through, and glide-attack.
The first is what you do if you push/pull the risha through the string, it's the logical way with soft and thin material. The only problem is that all
of the tremolo then depends on how fast you can push and pull your wrist "through the string". It's like plucking with a playing card. The other
technique I would call "glide-attack", and I think it's better because the risha's shape helps you and doesn't require the whole risha to snap through
the strings at once. This is what I was trying to show in that little video. No matter what material I've tried, including nylon, only one shape for
the tip works well for the "glide-attack", and that is a straight section that is beveled like a knife, with the material getting thinner and thinner
at the tip. The risha at first rides ON the strings and then only the tip actually snaps through. This is a subtle difference, because in the end the
risha does pluck in both cases, but in practice, for me anyway, it makes it easier to play and tremolo, faster and smoother.
I've been shaping cable-ties, but the exciting news is the cow horn rishas! A little bag of them arrived today in a big box.
NearEastern sells (and resells) them 6 to a package, about the same shape and dimensions as their black plastic (Delrin), a bit longer, with an
occasional smaller one. They are about 0.030" thick too. Most are long enough to make two rishas per stick.
They are soaked in oil and remarkably tough. You can make an edge with sandpaper that is about as thin as on Delrin. The sanding experience tells you
this is no nylon. It takes a while to grind down. There's a very satisfying feel to it, as the texture of horn is intrinsically crunchy and organic.
Where the sticks were cut, you can see a feathery edge that shows how related to feather and horsehair this material is.
I tried picking-through with one, and found it no different from other materials. So I shaped one like my favorite Delrin rishas, with straight and
beveled edges ending in a very thin tip.
As expected, the drag on the string makes a much richer sound than any plastic. It's a little as if the risha were bowing the strings. The
breakthrough is for some reason louder than Delrin, so the overall first impression is a better and louder sound. If you make the edges thin and
sharp, there's no grabbing and all attacks work much as with Delrin, just better and louder. If you make one side with a longer straight edge, it will
play quieter. The end result is a richer timbre and a wider dynamic range than any other material so far.
Going back to Delrin, the Delrin edge feels a little too slippery, you can't get as "meaty" a pluck. Just trying it out but Ooooh, I think I LIKE
these cow horn rishas ......
I don't known how durable these are in practice. Maybe they snap, but not so far. I don't have the heart to break one. They probably wear faster than
Delrin (which is industrially indestructible and will wear a hole in ALL your ouds before it needs replacing). "Make sure to get some" before MidEast
runs out again (I've been waiting for these since August).
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Rich-in-Rishas reporting .... I'm in love ....
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I made a similar experience today ... I found goose feathers in a craft supplies shop, where I only wanted to buy cork for building the homebrew
pickup.
When I tried the feathers Pam said: "Wow, that really sounds arabic"
But they have a downside ... tremolo is extremly difficult, because the quill is very hard compared to my soft cable tie, with which tremolo works
like a charm.
I'm not shure, if I really like these feathers ... further practice needed.
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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I'm finding that cow horn on nylon strings really sounds good, much better than Delrin or nylon, that being plastic on plastic, it makes sense. And
the shape and hardness are perfect.
On the wound strings, the windings polish the edges of the cow horn risha, and after playing a half hour, part of the best "scrape" is gone, and it
seems it sounds half-way like Delrin. Maybe I'm just tired.
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Just ordered a block of buffalo horn to experiment with - is this similar to cow horn? I've heard of buffalo horn mizraps so though I'd do the whole
malarky, soak in oil, stand on my head whilst whistling dixie etc.
I'll post when I've done ... but it may take a while 
Cheers
Leon
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I read somewhere that Buffalo horn is preferable to cow horn, I think this was because the cow horn wears too quickly as Anthony has discovered.
Look forward to hearing about your results,
good luck, S
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Regarding horn rishas ... I would expect them to have a good sound like the feather I tried, but that they are also very stiff, so that tremolo is
very difficult. Correct?
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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I think it must be what we are used to, the Pyramid professional Risha is thicker than the standard one, yet professionals get great tremolo, no? I
think if the risha is well shaped, thicker would be faster, once you get used to it, the material having less flex, thus responding quicker, not
needing time to spring back into position... hard to describe...
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| Quote: Originally posted by Sazi | | ..., the Pyramid professional Risha is thicker than the standard one, yet professionals get great tremolo, no? |
Yes, but I myself never will, because on guitar it was always the same for me ... I always hated hard plectrums and do so still even after 30
years.
On oud it's the same ... with a soft cable tie the tremolo works like charm and with the hard quill of the feather it's impossible for me.
I will never get used to hard plectrums or rishas.
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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Never say never. Look at how the risha engages the strings on the slow motion video. It's a very different technique. You are probably
"plucking-through" with the whole risha. If you make the edge glide on the strings and only the end of the tip plucks, it's much much smoother than
snapping the whole risha through. That's why the Pyramid pro rishas are the way they are. The user only needs to shape the end of the tip to their
liking. If you send me your postal address by U2U, I'll try to send you a Delrin risha shaped optimally for that technique, and you will be pleasantly
surprised.
The cow horn is holding up OK and sounds better than Delrin, even after some micro-wear. I wouldn't say it's wearing fast, my edges are thinner than
paper. It's just that the sound is at its best when it's touched up every few hours with fine sandpaper to regain a little roughness on the edge. It
takes a couple of seconds, so it may still be worth it over Delrin. Delrin never has that type of edge. I'm still testing. There's something special
to the sound of the "organic" material, better than one plastic on another plastic (nylon), and I still don't understand why it's so much louder, but
it is.
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Hi All!
Sorry about late replies I had been busy here lately!
Mr fernandraynaud is real Gentleman and a Kind Person. Hope's He Has More Health and Good Longer Life!
Keep Doin what You Doin!
Regaring about Chris Comment:
I Myself too are having difficulty on harder one's. Seem to be more harder to keep it controlled and well balance specially when making tremolo's and
picking it consistenly thru out the passages.
Thanks fernandraynaud!
BTW Sir Can I Ask your First name? Thanks
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If you send me your postal address by U2U, I'll try to send you a Delrin risha shaped optimally for that technique, and you will be pleasantly
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Can You also kindly send some for me?. I Will Send U2U......
BTW Thanks Again fernandraynaud!
For Your Efforts/Pictures/Advises In this forum It Really Helps me & also Everybody here that need some Advise!
Thanks!
Godbless!
Philip
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Aymara
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Yes, Mr. Bond 
But I'm a bit sceptic after 30 years of soft plectrums.
| Quote: | | Look at how the risha engages the strings on the slow motion video. |
Yes, thanks, I watched it again and guess what ... now it works ... unbelievable. Though it still needs training.
I took a precision file and rounded the feather's quill a bit ... and I lowered the picking angle ... bingo ... tremolo works and the sound isn't too
bassy as before.
Ok, it's not the historic eagle feather, but it's a nice substitute ... feels nice in the hand and looks cool
For those, who want to give a goose feather a try too ... mine is 15cm long, slightly bowed and the quill is 3mm ... 2mm at the top.
| Quote: | | ..., I'll try to send you a Delrin risha shaped optimally for that technique, ... |
Thanks, you're a real friend 
| Quote: | | There's something special to the sound of the "organic" material, ... |
I'll order some buffalo horn to give it a test ... there's a German dealer available ... how thick is your horn risha?
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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Hey Chis Just want to say Hi!
whats up Mate?
Anything cookin'?
How's Your Girlfriend regarding to your Ouding?
Cheers
Philip
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Hi Philip!
I'm full already
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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Good to Hear That!
Hey Man Can U post Some Risha Pictures that U used?
Kindest Regards,
Philip
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Cable tie, goose feather and guitar plectrum ... and a centimeter scale below to get a better impression of the sizes.
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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Thanks Man!
The Best thing was your centimeter Ruler!
Couldn't done it without u! LOL
How's the sound of Cable ties?
Nice To hear from you friend
Philip
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That depends how you hold it, because it's very soft at the top ... remember? ... only 0.5mm.
But if you hold it that way, that only 1cm is beneth your thumb, you can play relatively loud and pick harder.
BTW ... the original cable tie was much longer ... I cut it in half.
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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Thanks Chris!
Did you not find the goose feather a bit weird to hold or use? Because of it feary thing! sorry my bad! LOL
Philip
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