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thank you koya - you have opened up a whole new world for me with the cobza.
i am very interested in the way that the cobza is played. it is very close to the oud but very european ... a genuine "folk lute" - all of which
interests me.
from the mp3 samples you posted i understand that it is basically an instrument of accompaniment using simple chords ("double-stop" or two note
chords) with a strong emphasis on rhythm.
are there styles of play associated with the cobza - certain rhythms perhaps or chord progressions? in the past, was the cobza also played with a bow
- like a viola de arco and viola da mano?
was it ever - or is it now - considered as a solo instrument? if yes, are there mp3s available?
in the hungarian tradition, is there such a thing as a recognized cobza repertoire? is it associated with a specific region of hungary or - like
shepherds with their reed pipes - a particular type of work ... strolling players, in towns perhaps?
the mp3s you provided with tünde ivánovics and géza fábri are particularly beautiful and very moving. thank you again - bill
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INVITATION TO THE MOLDAVIAN MUSIC AND DANCE CAMP 2006
INVITATION TO THE MOLDAVIAN MUSIC AND DANCE CAMP 2006
IN SOMOSKA, ROMANIA
7 th - 8 th August, 2006
Music, theatre, entertainment, parades, street theatre performances, puppet theatre performances.
Guests: from the neighbouring villages in Transylvania as well as from Hungary
Programmes:
in the mornings & afternoons - dance lessons, music lessons, flute lessons, violin lessons, cobsa (folk lute) lessons
•craftsmanship: felt techniques ,pottery, beading, weaving,
•in the evenings from 8pm to dawn - parties in the football field,in Community Centre and in Folk and Jazz Pub
Music lessons:
•Moldavian flute: LEGEDI László István,
•Violin: MANDACHE Aurel
•Cobsa: PAUN Vasile, BOLYA Mátyás
Dance lessons with local as well as Hungarian musicians and folk dancers
Access to the Camp: by car / train / plane / bus (organised journey on demand)
Accommodation with families
Board (lunch + hot dinner) and participation fee for citizens outside Romania and Hungary: EUR 100
Applications due by 15 th June, 2006 (strictly!)
For information and application please contact info@moldvahon.hu
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The correct date of this festival
7 th - 16 th August, 2006
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Ivánovics Tünde and Fábri Géza
Hi folks,
Thre is one of my favorite song of " Master of Cobsa"
http://vvt.uw.hu/saveas_dl//SaveAs-1_HegyenSFoldon.mp3
They have hompage here:
http://www.mentesmaskent.hu
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Ivánovics Tünde
http://mentesmaskent.hu/
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Ion Strimbeanu - Romanian cobza virtuous
Hi folks,
I would like to show a track of Ion Strimbeanu, a Romanian cobza player. I don't know much about him.
A Romanian estrad orchestra accompanies him.
Enjoy it...
Koya
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Ion Strimbeanu - more...
And here is the second one...
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dear koya -
i've tried several times to open the mp3's on the cobza site you posted but was only partially successful, each time. for some reason, only the
opening bars of the selections - fortunately, it's mostly you playing the introduction on cobsa - gets down loaded ... the rest never completes.
just now, after contacting the site, i left the line open for an hour and it still didn't complete. i'm told that the problem might be with your
modem.
i think your playing and tünde ivánovics' voice are superb together - "tante bene cose" as they say here ... "many good things" (to you both.)
ciao - bill
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Hello Bill,
Fábri Géza is my teacher of cobza. He plays on this record.
They heve website, try download the songs from here:
http://www.mentesmaskent.hu/b4ii.htm
Bye: Koya
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Koya
Hello Bill,
Fábri Géza is my teacher of cobza. He plays on this record.
They heve website, try download the songs from here:
http://www.mentesmaskent.hu/b4ii.htm
Bye: Koya |
ahhh ... all is clear now - i thought you and fábri géza were one in the same person. i left favorable comments on their music on their website but
i addressed them to you ...
i tried the site again but the problems of downloading (as described earlier) remains the same.
... guess i'll just have to buy the disc.
saluti tanto - bill
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Paun Vasile, 1937 -2006
Paun Vasile our favorite original cobza player passed on this week in Italy. Rest in peace.
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Koya
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Vasile
This is a short piece with him.
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Hey Koya, thanks for this great thread!
I am a Romanian currently living in Holland, and I play the Cobza as well.
I just got myself a new one last week from Hora in Reghin, but I was wondering if there were any Hungarian builders as well - for instance, who made
that beatiful, Oudish cobza that Matyi Bolya is holding? And I noticed Geza Fabri has mechanical tuners on his cobza... Me wants!
Thanks for the nice mp3s too, it's very hard to get decent cobza music nowadays in Romania, there aren't much Cobza players left.
Check out these nice videos of the group Trei Parale, with cobza player Florin Iordan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzvs0wyrCko
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7I5id8UCZI
I am also going to experiment with Oud strings on the cobza, see what the nylon will do to the sound!
Best,
Andi
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Hi Andi, welcome.
I'm Adam, I'm living in Holland as well, in Haarlem. I play ud/oud but have an interest in Cobza (never played one). If you're interested to get
together drop me a note...I'm sending you a private "U2U" as well.
Groeten vanuit Haarlem
Adam
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Hello my friends
I live in Romania now,and I had the chance to play a cobza.Nice instrument.If you need any oud participation on the cobza congres please let me know.I
will be in timisoara,and send me an e-mail so we can see more details.
Best Regards
Spyros Koliavasilis
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Somebody might have told me my page started all this discussion! I'll add a link to this thread.
Fabri's machine heads are a great idea. Trying to get mine to stay in tune with the pegs is a nightmare.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Jack_Campin
Somebody might have told me my page started all this discussion! I'll add a link to this thread.
Fabri's machine heads are a great idea. Trying to get mine to stay in tune with the pegs is a nightmare. |
jack - who made your cobza? ... HORA? i thought you said folk lutes (in an early music context) didn't exist. - bill
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Yes, it's a Hora one - I say on the page where I got it.
I can't imagine why they supply them set up that way, nobody mentioned in this thread uses that factory stringing/tuning.
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Rectification: Thanks to Claudio for starting this thread and thanks to Koya for the mp3s and pictures!
Jack: I have a Hora cobza with that weird tuning, but I succesfully retuned it to DADG. I also tried to tune it to EADG and a couple of other tunings,
which worked just fine. I also tried your 12-string dreadnought idea, but indeed, found the strings very hard to tune this way. I am now going to put
Ud strings on the little baby, see what it does!
Adam: Sure thing, I am thinking about starting to play the Ud (never actually played one!) and I could need some of your advice on buying one, I
guess...
I have found this nice little store in The Hague, called Soner Müzik & Film (it's a Turkish shop) where they sell Uds starting from E 125,-. So
me says to myself, me says, self, that's a bargain!
Or is it?
Groeten uit Schiedam
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Andi,
Cool man! I think we should get together, I have a very nice ud you can try out. I do think EU 125 is quite a bargain for an ud, way too much of a
bargain and I imagine it plays like crap. I'm going to look into this place in Den Haag though, sounds cool.
here's my (now not so private) email
adamgood@adamgood.com
adam
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Hi there,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L91_VnoJwRI&mode=related&sea...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_qW3-94fEo&mode=related&sea...
Tatros ensemble & Fábri Géza & Ivánovics Tünde
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntUEFTSG49I&mode=related&sea...
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hey Koya ! great vids!
do you know who built Bolya's cobza? it sure looks the part!
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Hello Andi,
I think Bolya Matyi has some cobzas. The cobza on this page was made by a lute builder in Budapest, but he has some other intruments rebuilt by
himself.
The Hora's intrumet is good for basics, we change the fingerboard and mechanical tuner is also necessary...but the original cobza pegs is nicer.
I better like and I tuning a lot...
If you need I can give you contact him.
Bye: Koya
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Paun Vasile plays on cobza
Hi Folk,
I would like to share some music with one of my favorite cobza players. He passed away last year.
The first track with Aurel Mandache (fiddle).
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Paun Vasile plays on cobza
The second one:
Bogdan Toader on fiddle and Vasile on cobza
Bye: Koya
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