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Quote: Originally posted by Aymara  | | Quote: Originally posted by Brian Prunka |
This is exactly the problem I had when I tried PVF strings, they would fall apart after 1 day of playing!
So far, my favorite treble strings are D'addario rectified nylon. They're not the same as what comes in the 'oud' set.
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Very interesting, because I like on the D'Addario set the wounded strings, but find the nylons a bit flat sounding. And I didn't know of the short
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I don't like the standard D'addario nylons, either. As I said, the rectified nylon strings are different.
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for ouds having 61-62 cm stringlength the Pyramid oud strings are okay
http://www.khalafoud.com/pyramidstrings.htm
much cheaper as compared to the pyramid lute strings
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When I see, how common these strings are and how many players/luthiers use them, I would expect them to be better than just "ok"?
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Yup 
I've Used Normal Pyramid Orange Sets. It has a Low Tension almost same as Daniel Mari Strings.
But the Pyramid Orange Trebles are not that dynamic and sounds flat to me. Maybe Its Just me!
Anymore String sets? Nylgut or Rectified? Which is Better for you guys?
Shoukran
Philip
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Aymara
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As far as I know, nylgut trebbles detune faster as nylon, because they are not only temperature sensitive, but also to humidity.
But maybe someone can report personal experience?
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| Quote: Originally posted by Aymara |
As far as I know, nylgut trebbles detune faster as nylon, because they are not only temperature sensitive, but also to humidity.
But maybe someone can report personal experience? |
They (Nylgut) absorb 1/6th of the moisture that nylon does, so should be more stable.
This link will tell you probably more than you ever wanted to know about the properties of nylgut
http://www.geocities.jp/shinfuji_jp/genkonjaku3_E.html
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FLIPAX
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Thanks Sazi!
I'm Sure To Read This Page!
Thanks Bro!
Ill Tell You Later What I Think About This!
Philip
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Anybody Using Thomastik-Infeld Strings Here?
I've Read some Threads Ghassan Bashir Uses It and Afif swears the this is the only one he uses.
How's the sound of this strings?
I've Noticed they say that the g string is only one string and its very fat compare to normal diameter of an g string...
Anybody else has experience this String Sets?
Please Let me Know.
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Flip
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Aymara
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No, but it's usually only a 5 courses set. Look HERE, how German luthier Matthias Wagner describes them:
| Quote: | | The treble strings are plain and are manufactured from specially treated synthetic material. The low strings have a multi-strand synthetic core and
are wound with finest copper-silver wire. The third string can be supplied either plain or wound. The string's undamped resonance is long and rich.
Its strong higher partials give the player advantages in all registers. The overall sound is well balanced and smooth, and the strings are durable,
having proven their consistency in every musical situation. We supply aoud strings in pairs. Available in light - medium - high tension.
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HERE he describes the tension of the medium tension set for a string length of 62cm. And at the bottom of this page he describes, that a deep
single F-string (TH-318_CR43) is available optionally. BTW ... this set has a pair of wound d-strings.
Though I don't know how good their oud set is, I can tell you that I use Thomastik-Infeld strings on my 12-string guitar since nearly 20 years and I
will never again use other strings ... it's the Plectrum extra fine set.
So I'm in your boat too and would be pleased to here experiences about Thomastik oud strings.
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Same Here......
Hopefully someone will drop the ball and say:
Thomastik is the only set I Use.... then Bam!
More Set of Problems to think about. woot!
Flip
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Aymara
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So far I didn't read a single report about these strings, though I expect them to be nice, because Thomastik has a good reputation.
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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I only use Thomastik strings on my guitar, but I didn't particularly like their oud strings. I didn't dislike them really, but they didn't stand out.
Maybe I'll give them another go.
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Hi Brian!
Thanks for Stopping By......
Can u please elaborate why Thomastik-Infeld Sets didn't Stand Out as what you've expected?
Thanks Man!
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Aymara
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Hi Brian!
On my 12-string guitar I tested the medium tension Thomastik Plectrum 12-string set and found them horrible, because though the sound was great, the
playability was not ... "a finger breaker" as we would call that in Germany.
But the same set in minimum tension (extra fine) is absolutely great ... the same brilliant sound, but also a fantastic playability, which even
convinced guitarists, who already had given up trying 12-string guitar. After trying my guitar, they wanted to give the 12-string a further try.
I tell all this, because I would guess, that it might be similar with their oud strings ... did you try the light tension set?
On the other hand ... only because I have a good experience with their steel guitar strings, doesn't mean, their oud nylon strings are good too. But
as far as I know, Thomastik violin strings have a good reputation too. So, who knows.
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Brian Prunka
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Yes, they have a great reputation for double bass strings as well. I use them on electric guitar. I've tried their nylon classical guitar strings,
which were unexceptional (on my guitar, anyway).
I can't really elaborate on my experience with their oud strings, since it was quite a while ago. As I said, I need to try them again sometime.
To date, the pyramid lute strings stand out for me as sounding and feeling great to play on.
Other strings have done more or less well on different ouds. I've tried D'addario, Labella, Pyramid (orange label), Daniel Mari, Thomastik.
I tried Aquila early on (didn't like them), but not since they recalibrated the gauges for lighter tension. I found the tuning to be unstable and the
life of the strings to be short. But I expect they're better now since that was years ago and they've made some changes since then.
I haven't tried the Savarez strings yet. I'd like to try Hannabach, but they've been even more expensive than Pyramid last time I checked.
I like the low C in the D'addario set. I like the Pyramid set.
Labella is OK but not great. I've got Mari strings on one of my ouds now and they sound pretty good. I haven't tried Thomastik in a while, I thought
they were OK. A lot depends on the characteristics of the particular oud.
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Aymara
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Yeeees, that's deep, but clear and brilliant, the deep F too. But I'm not that satisfied with the trebble strings ... I currently play them on my oud.
I'm planing to switch to Kuerschner.
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A lot depends on the characteristics of the particular oud.
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Oooh yes, I think we should keep that always in mind, when comparing strings, be it sound quality or playability.
And a lot depends on personal taste.
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Chris
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I'm not sure how much the kurschner strings cost, but you can try out the D'addario rectified pretty inexpensively from Jameel's Khalaf site:
Khalaf Oud Lutherie: D'addario Strings
the strings are $1.10 each, so a set for the 1st two courses would be $4.40. I don't know if Jameel ships to Germany, but I'm sure you can get them
there as well from another source. I highly recommend you give them a try.
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Aymara
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Yes, it should be possible to order them from German dealer. Thanks for the tip, I'll keep that in mind.
But I'm tempted to try Kuerschner first ... I had a chance for a short test on the Faruk Turunz oud of an oud player in Germany and I was very
impressed.
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I have had the same experience enough times now to not waste my time and money with them again...
I don't think so, only 2 weeks ago a friend ripped his off in disgust, in favor of laBella's (he prefers Küerschner)
Cheers, S
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Thanks Guys!!
Nice To hear about Aquila and Daddario Strings........
Which Lower bass C string set has a powerful sound in your opinions?
Pyramid Lute or Daddario's, Aquila's, Labella?
Coz Sometimes I Tune My Low C to B or A to get a lower octave tonic.
Thanks
Just wondering.......
Flip
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Aymara
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In this case I would use custom strings designed for that tuning and not a standard set ... a downtuned C sounds dull ... B might be ok, but A ...
uaaah
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greetings everyone- I'm a bit curious, with all these posts on strings and more strings and still more strings, I wonder what strings the legendary
players like Farido and Sunbati were using? Do you think they could pick up any oud with any strings and still sound good?  cheers MW
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I've put on Kurschner high tension Turkish set and the sound is amazing ... but the strings feel 'hard' so tremelo is difficult and my tremelo isn't
the best to say the least
So I'm keeping em on to improve my tremelo - I'm into really cracking this and it may help
I wonder if there is a lower tension Turkish set in Kurschner.
Leon
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Aymara
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Interesting question.
| Quote: | | Do you think they could pick up any oud with any strings and still sound good? |
All professionals might sound good even on a cheap oud with medium quality strings, but with a good oud and good strings they sound even better.
For me as a beginner a better sound means better motivation.
Yes ... if you order directly from Kuerschner you can give them the dimensions of your oud and string length and they manufacture to your desired
tension and tuning. As long as you order the same number of strings as in the standard set, the set price doesn't change ... around 35 Euro without
shipping.
PS: Maybe drop them an email and ask for details.
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FLIPAX
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HI All here in the Forum!
Does any can comment on the PVF string from Hank Levin?
http://www.Musicaravan.com
kindest appreciations
Philip
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