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Adam,
Do you have both files saved in the same folder, i.e., the sample file and the arabic_modified3.ly
Can you post what you are trying to do and I can compile it on my machine to see if it is giving the same error.
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I get sometimes the error: "warning: No ordering for key signature alterations" when I use the "\key note \maqam" command, but it seems like a bug..
because sometimes I get it and sometimes it works just fine.. I suggest you close everything.. delete all files except the .ly source file, and then
recompile.. sometimes it works for me without changing anything in the code.. I wonder why 
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Edward Powell
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Man, you guys are really rolling with this! Leaving me FAR behind! ...but soon enough I will try to catch up.
I have spent the last ten days composing and recording bass lines for my RAGMAKAM CD, which I recorded mostly in istanbul last year. It feels good to
get that CD almost finished --- now all there is left to do is record tabla which I will do this summer in vancouver.
Then back to composing new stuff for the new RAGMAKAMTAR... then back to lilypond, finally. I hope MIKE will not delete this thread 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Reda Aouad
I get sometimes the error: "warning: No ordering for key signature alterations" when I use the "\key note \maqam" command, but it seems like a bug..
because sometimes I get it and sometimes it works just fine.. I suggest you close everything.. delete all files except the .ly source file, and then
recompile.. sometimes it works for me without changing anything in the code.. I wonder why |
Yes this is what I get as well "warning" but I think I start to get what is going on now having tried to do this for Turkish key sigs (I'm almost
there!!). Here's the idea:
I think we simply need to override the ordering of the symbols so it doesn't complain. It seems to be working otherwise right? I get the key sigs ok
looking but we don't have to live with the complaint. There must be a pretty simple override, I'll poke around when I have more time.
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Edward Powell
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...now i am starting to get back into lilypond finally - - -
wow, it seems like a big work ahead
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Edward Powell
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Does anyone know of a notation program which is very very simple, free, and reliable???
I want to learn LILYPOND, this seems great for my needs EXCEPT for one major factor... "transposition"!
you, see, now being back in Europe, I can not simply write my music out in Turkish tuning (where RAST is written as G), and then expect European
musicians to be able to read and transpose this. Also I will be writing music for Arab musicians and this will require again another transposition.
It seems that with LILYPOND, to transpose a whole piece would simply mean having to write the whole thing all over again.
What I like a FINALE is that transposing a whole piece up one or two whole-tones for example is easily possible with a couple of clicks.
But my crack version of FINALE is not working anymore, and I don't want to invest a lot of money into buying this software - especially since I really
don't need something so powerful... I am only writing single note lines and I can put in the quartertones by hand... i also do not really need a
playback option...
I am wondering if anyone knows of some very small and simple notation program that is free - and is capable of notating simple single note melodies,
and transposing complete pieces?
OR, is there some simple way of transposing complete pieces with LILYPOND?
I will need all of my compositions written in Turkish notation, Arab notation, and European notation! ---and I really would prefer only to have to
write the main score out just once.
THANKS!
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Edward Powell
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...just re-read this whole thread --- there is a wealth of info here!!
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Hi, anyone's got updates on what to use that can generate midi file and sheets that include quarter-tone?
any updates what are the best softwares out there?
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Edward Powell
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LILYPOND!
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I know, and it's pretty amazing, I have it... but its not easy as it was mentioned before... I mean not so user friendly.
but these guys worked and produced something that supports arabic and turkish music, outstanding.
anyways, have you got the way to produce the midi and the pdf?
thanks Mr. Powell
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Edward Powell
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Luckily, I was able to get into LILYPOND with the help of an expert friend. He has templates that he gave to me which made the whole process quite
easy. Then he tutored me thru the rest...... so it was managable. I don't know how tough it would be to swing it without help.
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Hello to all !
Some weeks ago i accidentally found that http://www.mus2.com.tr/en/ ... its a new software for turkish notation.
I didnt try it yet but i wanted to share it !
Nikos
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Hi Nikos, I don't know how you found this but this is fantastic! I mean It plays quartertones, I mean you can easily use all the maqams (turkish) and
add new maqams to the Turkish ones... I mean for 40 bucks totally worth it!
Mr. Powell, you should try this too (demo is available, but there are some features not working..)
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RE: Lilypond...
Here's a notation I made for Tanburi Cemil Bey's Sedaraban Saz Semaisi using Lilypond. I use the supported makam init file plus I have a config file
that has quite a bit of custom tweaks. I LOVE it!
Adam
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YEAH! me too! ...thanks to Adam I am now rollin' with lilypond and am able to transpose and everything!
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Edward what is your success rate with transposing makam music with Lilypond? Basically it's not supported...I did my best to look in to it and though
some things work, mileage varies. I think the problem lies with the transposing engine itself. It's geared only toward 12-note to an octave so
anything else and it gets confused.
Hmm maybe I could ask the developer what it would cost to get it fully functioning?? That would require hiring him for the work and if you or any one
else are interested in contributing then we could get it happening!
I'd be really happy to be able to transpose from Turkish notation to Arabic with a simple switch.
What you think? Meanwhile keep on rockin' with it.
adam
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Edward Powell
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The transpostion method you gave me works quite well but it is not perfect.
Sure it would be super to have a fool-proof way to do it perfectly.... yeah, why not ask how much it would cost, then we could post it here and see
how many people would be willing to pitch in to pay for that. I for one would be good for a certain amount surely!
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For those who, like me, are scared of Lillypond, MuseScore is a bit friendlier, and includes microtones. (It will play them back, too, if you fiddle
with it a little bit)
http://musescore.org/en
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Quote: Originally posted by Khalid_Salé  | For those who, like me, are scared of Lillypond, MuseScore is a bit friendlier, and includes microtones. (It will play them back, too, if you fiddle
with it a little bit)
[url]http://musescore.org/en |
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Khaled, I just tried MuseScore and its very good, the tweak I guess is to change tuning of the half flat.. that's it
I don't understand what are the advantages of Lillypond over an easy-to-use software such as MuseScore or other ones that are able to play
microtones..?
chaldo
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Edward Powell
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Lilypond is also very easy to use once you get the hang of it.... it is also FREE.
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MuseScore's free, too! It exports to Lilypond as well, so it might be worth having both and playing around with them.
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Edward Powell
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Can you transpose with MuseScore?
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You can, at the click of a button, but I don't know how well it deals with microtones. I just downloaded it today 
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Edward Powell
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where did you download from?
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http://musescore.org/en/download
It's not a torrent with a crack or anything, it's a free program. I definitely recommend having a look. It's so easy it reminds me of the McDonalds
cash register where they press the button with the picture of a big mac on it - harder to get it wrong than get it right. Just right for my level...
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