talmid
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And more Buzzing
hello to all.
i have another buzzing problem, and i havent gotten the answer (or solution!) to my problem from other topic.
I have a sukkar oud as well, model 14, very nice. I have been using it for about a year,very nice sound.
I recently put on a new set of string (d'Addario ive been using forever), and under instruction of one of my teachers, reached into my oud and
loosened the wing nut (to hight
en action- theres was some string buzzing against neck) before putting on new strings.
Next day, i try out the new strings. sounds great, the CC drone, FF, gg, and cc are great. ( is use standard classical arabic tuning- CFADgc)
A and D sets buzzing alot; strings, not anything buzzing in pegbox or face board.
Does anyone know why this is, and most importantly, how to get the best sound that i had before out???
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Quote: Originally posted by talmid  | | Does anyone know why this is, and most importantly, how to get the best sound that i had before out??? |
Maybe it's just a matter of the D'Addarrios ... don't forget, that they are designed for turkish ouds.
BTW ... I use the same strings on my 58.5cm arab oud and when I hit the FF course hard, it buzzes too, mainly when played open.
Maybe try a different string set as a first solution approach. Many people seem to like the Daniel Mary or Pyramid lute strings.
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Chris
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| Quote: Originally posted by talmid |
A and D sets buzzing alot; strings, not anything buzzing in pegbox or face board.
Does anyone know why this is, and most importantly, how to get the best sound that i had before out???
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I take it you mean the strings buzz when played open?
If the strings are buzzing, then they're buzzing against something. You've already raised the string height over the fingerboard in order to stop the
original buzzing, so what else has changed... new strings sometimes buzz a bit until they settle. Alternatively, check the nut, the strings are now
leaving the nut grooves at a slightly different angle, that could be enough to cause a buzz, like the buzz of the strings on the bridge of a tambura.
maybe
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In my case the two FF strings hit each other, when played hard open. When played normal, there's no buzzing.
I noticed something interesting on a different instrument. Godin Guitars in Canada build a guitar-oud hybrid instrument called Glissentar, which is
tuned in guitar tuning, but stringed like an oud instead of a 12-string guitar. The AA course of this instrument has a larger distance between the
course's strings, than the other courses. Godin says, they designed the AA course like that to avoid buzzing. Interesting, isn't it?
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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Talmud, you don't explain what exactly was wrong before, why you tried to raise the action. Are you sure you loosened and did not tighten the wing
nut? Are you sure the action was raised? Are you saying the strings now buzz when open or fingered?
It is not a good idea to adjust the neck with no tension on it, or it's conceivable for the neck to twist a bit. So it's best done by just loosening
strings enough to get your hand in. How much did you loosen the nut? Check if the action is now raised evenly on treble and bass sides.
What Sazi says about new strings is important, the problem could clear on it's own, or the strings could be defective. And yes any slight change at
the nut could bring out a buzz. Are you sure you have the strings cleanly seated? Did you use anything to lubricate them at the nut?
I would give the strings some time, order a spare set, and after a few days see where you stand. Then see what happens if you loosen the bass string
and reach inside, and make very small adjustments to the wing nut to see how it affects things. You don't want the nut loose, it should be "leaning"
against the string tension, and a 1/8 turn should be felt a bit. You can take a little stress off the nut while adjusting by gently pulling back on
the neck against the string tension. Don't tighten so hard you need to use a tool to loosen it, you want to develop a feel for the effect and the
available adjustment range.
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talmid
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Thanks guys.
Answering a few questions-
I loosened action- previosuly the wingnut was all way to right, and action was very low, to point where strings buzzed against the neck.
Now buzzing is happening on string (the sound is buzzy), on open A and D strings.
Could someone clarify what could be done in pegbox to "normalize" the angle of string?
I've used D'Addario before, sounded great... and these were made in the arabic style... I doubt theres a problem with strings.
How do i check if action is even?
Thanks and Kudos to you all...
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i used no lubricants.
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Maybe the images HERE do help.
| Quote: | | I've used D'Addario before, sounded great... and these were made in the arabic style... |
There's only one D'Addario oud string set available and that is a turkish set. You can use it on any short scale oud (58.5cm) even in arab tuning without any
problems. But regarding some older discussions (HERE and THERE) I'm a bit sceptic, if it's a good idea to use it on long scale ouds with a string length of more than 60cm.
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Chris
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You can compare action at treble vs. Bass side at body-neck joint with a piece of wood or some coins. If strings were buzzing on neck before, what is
worse now?
You have to determine exact origin and mechanism of buzz. Nobody can do that for you.
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