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Chris_Khouri
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Iraqi Oud Tayyar,
I found this 3ood for sale in ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=621&...
what do u guys think?
Hilal 
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Zulkarnain
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Hi
Check out Zeryab Maqamat - Naseer Shamma CD. on the inside notes theres an image of him holding a similar Oud to that (single hole).
Salam
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Walidk
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Hi,
I have a Tayyar Iraqi Oud. Somewhat similar since mine is also a Bashir oud.
Tayyar brothers are of Iraqi origins and they have settled down in Montreal area.
They make very high quality music instruments. The craftsmanship is supberb, and their work is very clean.
They told me that Munir Bashir has one of their ouds. Also they used to repair Munir's ouds made by Fadel.
They make theirs a bit shorter than the arabic style oud which makes it more comfortable for playing.
I bought mine about three years ago directly from them and I'm very happy with it. Excellent sustain (I use Daddario strings), projection and
good action.
Mine is a bit different though. It has a cut-away style at the neck for ease of playing. Also the design of the neck is very unique, since there is no
straight joint on the neck. It is as if it's a block. This design according to Tayyar prevent the neck from bending at high tensions.
My oud is made of all rosewood except the for the ebony pegs and spruce face.
As I said earlier, I love my oud. Mine cost me at the time twice as much as the one posted on Ebay.
Hope this helps.
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spyrosc
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Hey Brother,
Can you post some pictures of your oud, especially the neck joint ? We are very interested in oud construction details.
Shukran
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journeyman
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I teach at York University and there are Middle Eastern music courses there. The professor there, Rob Simms, told me that they have bought several
ouds by Tahir in Montreal and he thinks that they are great. He also commented on how he often experiments with different designs for his ouds. It
would be interesting to see one with a cutaway.
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Roy
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Walidk
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I'll try to take some pics and post them soon.
thx.
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Walidk
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here are some pics.
Cheers,
Walid.
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Walidk
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Neck and face.
The blemishes on the finish of fingerboard are caused by my sweaty fingers. Anybody has a solution for sweaty hands/fingers problem.
Maybe this is a topic for a new thread.
Thx.
Walid.
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Walidk
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More detail of fingerboard.
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Walidk
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General view of back.
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Walidk
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cut-away and neck.
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Walidk
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Pegbox. This design on the tip of pegbox is their trademark.
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Walidk
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General view of oud.
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Walidk
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Another neck detail.
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chuckerbutty
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Interesting instrument. I see what you mean about the neck joint - it looks like the neck and the neck block are a single piece.
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spyrosc
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Oud neck
I've played an oud made in 1979 by our own Dr. Oud that had an identical neck (without the cut-away). I always wondered how you would straighten
the neck out if you had to, but you're saying it actually prevents the neck from needing to be straightened.
Spyros C.
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Walidk
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Fortunately I don't have to tinker with the neck (if it ever bends). The makers (Tayyar brothers) actually guarantee their work. They would fix
it or give me another oud if this ever happens.
Walid.
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Hello Walidk,
Do you find the cutaway useful? I hace a cutaway on my classical guitar and find it very useful, especially for playing jazz and Brazilian music.
Do you find it hard to play an oud with no cutaway now that you are used to yours?
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Roy
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mavrothis
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Hey guys,
That is a great idea for making playing higher on the face easier.
That might be a solution for preventing "oud back" from playing high notes.
Thanks for sharing,
mav
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Elie Riachi
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| Quote: | Originally posted by spyrosc
I always wondered how you would straighten the neck out if you had to,
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Hello,
If ever needed to straighten the neck, I would assume planing the finger board level with the sound board will take care of it.
Very nice looking oud. Very clean work. I can only guess at how the ribs are joined at cut-away!!!!
Impressed,
Elie
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revaldo29
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Is it just me or is the sound hole on these ouds smaller than usual? If so, how does that affect the sound?
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Walidk
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Thanks for all your comments.
As far as cut-away being helpful when playing high notes..it does help a bit. But as you can see most professional players don't use (and
don't need) one. I think after playing for a while on any instrument, you fingers get used to it. Playing on a cut-away oud does not hinder your
playing on a regular oud, but it just makes the high notes a bit more reachable.
Bottom line, IMHO, it's how good you can play. And that's of course a function of how much you practice..cut-away or no cu-away does not
make a lof of difference.
As far as sound hole size. Yes it is a bit smaller. It does not affect the sound at all. look at holes in violins and other instruments..I think there
was a lenghty topic on this subject with scientific explanations of sound waves etc. previously on this. I think everybody agrees that a couple of cm
more or less will change nothing of the sound projection of the oud.
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Walid.
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Zulkarnain
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Hi Walidk
I agree with you and IMO if anyone need a cut away instrument..pick up the guitar.
Salam
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Jonathan
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It seems like that is the problem. Electric ouds, cut-aways--maybe we are starting to think of the oud as nothing more than a fretless guitar. A
pity.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by spyrosc
I've played an oud made in 1979 by our own Dr. Oud that had an identical neck (without the cut-away). I always wondered how you would straighten
the neck out if you had to, but you're saying it actually prevents the neck from needing to be straightened.
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Could you please send or post a picture of your 1979 Hankey oud? I am very curious about which one it is. I've attached a picture of a Turkish
style oud I made in 1980 with an extended neck joint.
1980 Turkish Style
This increases the surface area to strengthen the neck/body joint, but it will not prevent neck warp. This oud has not shown any warp and the action
is still very playable. The neck is stabilized with a center beam of walnut laminated between the 2 pieces of mahogany. The neck of the oud seldom
warps unless the wood is green or soft or the grain is flat anyway. One warp causing feature is the notch cut into the neck for the peg box. Without
any reinforcement this will weaken the neck at the top allowing the neck to bend up. By far the biggest problem in raising action is the bending of
the body of the oud. The back really doesn't have much structural resistance to the string tension other than the ribs, and they are often too
thin to contribute much stiffness. This is why the end of mandolins and many European lutes has a doubler rib wrapped around the tail. Many old ouds
I've seen show evidence of the body having been trimmed down to realign the tail end with the fingerboard and lower the action. With the extended
neck joint I believe the body trim is the best method to realign the neck. There usually is not enough material on the top of the neck to plane it
into alignment.
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